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Auto Draft Changes
Now that the auto draft changes have been in place awhile, what are peoples’ thoughts.?
Personally, I don’t like the changes and would love to see them rolled back.
The changes lead to rather boring teams. Totally takes the fun out of the auto leagues, imo.
I think the chance to draft a dream team is incredibly exciting. It rewards the people that log in frequently and try to get to the draft early. Is that a bad thing?
I also would like to see the number of auto leagues people participate in limited a little so you’re not always up against the same people. Do people really need to be in 100 leagues?? It might lead to more bots to fill the draft, but that’s OK if the bots are more competitive.
Just my 2 cents.
Personally, I don’t like the changes and would love to see them rolled back.
The changes lead to rather boring teams. Totally takes the fun out of the auto leagues, imo.
I think the chance to draft a dream team is incredibly exciting. It rewards the people that log in frequently and try to get to the draft early. Is that a bad thing?
I also would like to see the number of auto leagues people participate in limited a little so you’re not always up against the same people. Do people really need to be in 100 leagues?? It might lead to more bots to fill the draft, but that’s OK if the bots are more competitive.
Just my 2 cents.
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I don't know if I have played in one yet, but have a couple soon to start, what differences are you seeing?
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Main difference I see, is that filler and dynasty are most of the times picking up up to 4-5 catchers, or 3 o4 2ndB,etc...
Often one bot team will rake 3 of the best players at one single position.
And Supp drafts are also now depleted....
On this team there is 9 starting pitchers !!!
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
On this one 4 1B that can only play DH and 3 2B, and only 3 OF...
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
That bot team is depleting the league with 5 potential starters at 2B on their lineup
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
In this league. Filler is dominating despite having a terrible team on paper...
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
I absolutely dont see what is the improvment on these bot teams for the users experience !!!
Often one bot team will rake 3 of the best players at one single position.
And Supp drafts are also now depleted....
On this team there is 9 starting pitchers !!!
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
On this one 4 1B that can only play DH and 3 2B, and only 3 OF...
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
That bot team is depleting the league with 5 potential starters at 2B on their lineup
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
In this league. Filler is dominating despite having a terrible team on paper...
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
I absolutely dont see what is the improvment on these bot teams for the users experience !!!
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I have drafted in a few also and have noticed that I am offered the same positions and players multiple times. For example, after drafting a 1B in one league, I was offered high ranked 1B for three straight rounds after that. I also am seeing that if a player is offered to be drafted and you don't take them, they are offered to you again and again.
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i agree that the supplemental drafts are pretty depleted. i recently was last man in a league, my team looks awful!! lol. i only had 2 pitchers ranked above 75, fortunately i had first priority and selected an 87 grade starter. but there were only 9 players available with 70+ ratings. i have done a couple others that it was a little better, at least i was able to draft a staff with 1 each from 90,80, 70 60 50 range. i will say the draft was more fun when better talent was available but i have changed my drafting style a bit to grab more speed and defense to help offset my shaky pitching. but overall it is still enjoyable but who doesn't enjoy a high powered team!!
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My main personal gripe with the supplemental draft is that, considering the bot teams are SUPPOSED to be bad most of the time, the fact that they ALWAYS participate in the supplemental draft when they are present (and usually take the best players available since they're almost always near the top of the draft order) feels totally unnecessary to me
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I dont mind about bots being bad, I care about people enjoying the game !
On that team 5 players for 3 spots... many team could use those 2 players eaten by a bot team !
Frank Thomas, Todd Helton, Prince Fielder, Bradley, Derek Lee
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
On that team 5 players for 3 spots... many team could use those 2 players eaten by a bot team !
Frank Thomas, Todd Helton, Prince Fielder, Bradley, Derek Lee
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
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I think all of the examples @plpl512 gave, those bots drafted while the logic was still being cleaned up... I would wait and look at bots that drafted later, like in June - in those examples, the bots all drafted mid to late May.
Also, bots should start getting dropped to the end of the supplemental draft - this was a change recommended by a few people since the bots now draft better teams. You'll start seeing this with bots that drafted more recently, so it will take some time to show up.
But since this was a new change, it will need to be tweaked I am sure over time.
But as for the original question, (and I am also curious how people feel) keep in mind why part of the change was made - no team should be ending up with Ruth, Bonds, Williams, McGwire before anyone else gets to draft, and that was a common occurrence.
Also, bots should start getting dropped to the end of the supplemental draft - this was a change recommended by a few people since the bots now draft better teams. You'll start seeing this with bots that drafted more recently, so it will take some time to show up.
But since this was a new change, it will need to be tweaked I am sure over time.
But as for the original question, (and I am also curious how people feel) keep in mind why part of the change was made - no team should be ending up with Ruth, Bonds, Williams, McGwire before anyone else gets to draft, and that was a common occurrence.
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Like plpl, i want people to enjoy the game. I don't mind bots, they are needed given the number of leagues that exist in relation to users who fill league spots. My enjoyment sank when a very small # of users play the same leagues over and over and are first to draft and stack their teams. When I saw one user who had Bonds, Williams, McGwire, Ruth on the same team in multiple ATG leagues, that kills my enjoyment. Anything that alleviates that is a good thing.
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i think there is a better distribution of talent the new way for sure, just need to change my mindset on having a superteam!! just played a team last season that had ohtahni, judge and trout!! he hit over 70 homers with about 10 doubles!!
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actually one thing that would be nice to see is some sort of limit on how much someone can exceed there actual at bats. almost every league i play in has a handful of mvp candidates that put up good numbers in part time/platoon roles. one league i am in john lowenstein is an mvp winner multiple times, including for me!! he hits over 50 homers every year!! kerry carpenter is a monster in any league he is in, rafeal furcal is leading the mvp race in another league and had less than 200 at bats in real life. those type guys are cheat codes to winning, it took me a bit to see why certain teams won so much!! probably tough to adjust this but some of these random guys are better and more valuable than the "stars". just some random thoughts, definately not trying to be negative!! so much goes in to making this site great, hard to perfect every aspect. keep up the great work.
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This is where I may be in the minority…the thrill for me is to get in there early and grab Bonds, Ruth, McGwire. Half the time you still end up getting upset somehow in the World Series. If people are limited with the number of leagues they can enter, everyone will have that chance to cobble together a dream team.
The alternative (the new draft model) is you’re nearly guaranteed a run-of-the mill team. I’m sure many will enjoy this. Just not for me….
The alternative (the new draft model) is you’re nearly guaranteed a run-of-the mill team. I’m sure many will enjoy this. Just not for me….
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Yeah I also like the old set up better. Gave managers the excitement of being able to create a dynamic team that could compete with other top managers in their league. Now it seems more of a “vanilla” approach. Seems if you do the work and put in the effort it should work in your favor. Also the supplemental drafts are not very inspiring.
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Gbacci, any chance you can do a vote on new auto leagues draft versus old and revert back if prior is more favorable?
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It would seem a knee jerk reaction to simply restoring Auto Draft Bots to their previous lousy condition without possibly tweaking the new draft algorithm in my opinion, there was a pretty vocal crowd saying BOT Teams stunk before, now it seems the complaint is " I can no longer get a monster? I might have to work at this a bit, lets go back to the old way"
I agree on drafting multiple studs at the same position, and correcting THAT logic, and I also have noticed that the SIM does keep offering a same player and THAT is annoying, I sometimes only get offered a pick at say 2B once, I see 6 2B, pick one, never see another,
I agree on drafting multiple studs at the same position, and correcting THAT logic, and I also have noticed that the SIM does keep offering a same player and THAT is annoying, I sometimes only get offered a pick at say 2B once, I see 6 2B, pick one, never see another,
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@dgeorgi to your point, the idea would be that the better managers are also going to be more challenged, so it shouldn't be that you can't compete with them... if that turns out to be the case in the long run, I'd want to hear more about it.
@QWERTY00 I would want to wait at least a month before a poll because people are really confused right now by the old bot logic - this will get slightly better once bots are dropped to the bottom of the supplemental draft.
One question I would have for D & Q - would you guys rather be in smaller leagues and have more of a chance to get a killer team? The only way I see the "killer team" logic being remotely fair is if every team had a chance, and that would probably mean something more like 6-team auto leagues, not 12-team leagues. Every time I suggested smaller leagues the vast majority of people say no.
Although honestly, I am still not sure many people want to play in a league where one team gets all the best power hitters, no matter how many teams are in the league. That was never the spirit of the Quick Draft, but the logic change around 2020 resulted in this so we've had five years of a vastly unfair Quick Draft that most people I heard from truly hated.
I've had some people who are the "regular winners" reach out to me and say, "I hate the change but I understand why you had to make it and I'm up for the challenge." Now, maybe we're going to silently lose those players over time if they can't dominate like they used to, I don't know.
@QWERTY00 I would want to wait at least a month before a poll because people are really confused right now by the old bot logic - this will get slightly better once bots are dropped to the bottom of the supplemental draft.
One question I would have for D & Q - would you guys rather be in smaller leagues and have more of a chance to get a killer team? The only way I see the "killer team" logic being remotely fair is if every team had a chance, and that would probably mean something more like 6-team auto leagues, not 12-team leagues. Every time I suggested smaller leagues the vast majority of people say no.
Although honestly, I am still not sure many people want to play in a league where one team gets all the best power hitters, no matter how many teams are in the league. That was never the spirit of the Quick Draft, but the logic change around 2020 resulted in this so we've had five years of a vastly unfair Quick Draft that most people I heard from truly hated.
I've had some people who are the "regular winners" reach out to me and say, "I hate the change but I understand why you had to make it and I'm up for the challenge." Now, maybe we're going to silently lose those players over time if they can't dominate like they used to, I don't know.
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"I DON'T hate the change and I understand why you had to make it and I'm TOTALLY up for the challenge."😎😎😎
- The Sheik
- The Sheik
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Most likely there isn’t a solution that suits everyone.
Please, please don’t take this as a shot at this site (it’s such a wonderful site overall)…but what kept me coming back was the excitement of the All-Time quick drafts and that thrill of getting the perfect draft class….then chasing team records.
The way the draft is now, the All-Time league isn’t so interesting. So, you’ve lost me as a user.
As a software exec, I really respect how badass this site is. The only reason I’m calling out my opinion is so that you’ll better understand what’s going on should All-Time leagues participation tail off. And, if it improves, I’ll be psyched for this great site that gives so many users joy.
Please, please don’t take this as a shot at this site (it’s such a wonderful site overall)…but what kept me coming back was the excitement of the All-Time quick drafts and that thrill of getting the perfect draft class….then chasing team records.
The way the draft is now, the All-Time league isn’t so interesting. So, you’ve lost me as a user.
As a software exec, I really respect how badass this site is. The only reason I’m calling out my opinion is so that you’ll better understand what’s going on should All-Time leagues participation tail off. And, if it improves, I’ll be psyched for this great site that gives so many users joy.
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Thanks @QWERTY00 I appreciate the explanation, openness and honesty.
Sadly, some changes over the years have resulted in user loss. I often tell what has become my favorite story (or least favorite?) that someone left when we condensed the baseball divisions from three to two (and we're down to one, which I think the vast majority agrees is better and more fair for auto leagues). So you're right, it's hard to please everyone, and I certainly can understand if the joy was jumping into ATG and ending up with a power team why you're signing off. New people who join the site won't even know that was an option and would probably say "why would that ever have been the case?" as it's a really unfair situation for the other teams in the league. I hope Pennantchase can offer something someday that brings you back.
Sadly, some changes over the years have resulted in user loss. I often tell what has become my favorite story (or least favorite?) that someone left when we condensed the baseball divisions from three to two (and we're down to one, which I think the vast majority agrees is better and more fair for auto leagues). So you're right, it's hard to please everyone, and I certainly can understand if the joy was jumping into ATG and ending up with a power team why you're signing off. New people who join the site won't even know that was an option and would probably say "why would that ever have been the case?" as it's a really unfair situation for the other teams in the league. I hope Pennantchase can offer something someday that brings you back.
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I've never used the 'Sandbox League' option, but wouldn't that be a way for an owner to set up a league that allows him to draft a team that is all but guaranteed to outperform all others merely by virtue of that owner/commissioner being first in line with the 'cream skimmer'?
For years I was as much about exploiting the 'first come, first served' strategy in Quick Draft Autoleagues as anyone. Then I came to realize that, like using 'cheat codes' or other grey area ploys on other gaming sites, there's a point where one needs to weigh ego-gratification-at-any-cost vs. the value of good sportsmanship and supporting the notion that everyone, especially newcomers, should feel they have a fair chance to play these games on level playing fields with the understanding that their strategic chops (and winning percentages) will improve as they ride out the learning curve... and not because along the way they've figured out PED-equivalent ways to gain an edge at everyone else's expense.
I'm all for these new changes and ongoing efforts to evolve games in response to what always feels like a majority consensus gleaned from user feedback. Granted, it's usually a little off-putting to have to adapt to new ways and rethink entrenched strategies, but if seen as a challenge well-worth undertaking, hopefully far more folks will continue to stick around as opposed to those who choose to take their ball and go home...
For years I was as much about exploiting the 'first come, first served' strategy in Quick Draft Autoleagues as anyone. Then I came to realize that, like using 'cheat codes' or other grey area ploys on other gaming sites, there's a point where one needs to weigh ego-gratification-at-any-cost vs. the value of good sportsmanship and supporting the notion that everyone, especially newcomers, should feel they have a fair chance to play these games on level playing fields with the understanding that their strategic chops (and winning percentages) will improve as they ride out the learning curve... and not because along the way they've figured out PED-equivalent ways to gain an edge at everyone else's expense.
I'm all for these new changes and ongoing efforts to evolve games in response to what always feels like a majority consensus gleaned from user feedback. Granted, it's usually a little off-putting to have to adapt to new ways and rethink entrenched strategies, but if seen as a challenge well-worth undertaking, hopefully far more folks will continue to stick around as opposed to those who choose to take their ball and go home...
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Just finished drafting Auto League 62 - Results of the new Bot draft logic does seem significant, albeit, more so on the Position player pool, Bot pitching does still appear inferior to real owner rosters, but, the Supplemental Draft is really thin, every team should get 1 good player, then, meh,
It will be interesting
It will be interesting
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Had to come back from down 3-2 to win a ring vs a bot team. I don't think I've ever faced one in the champ round. https://www.pennantchase.com/league..
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I like better bots. I would rather play all humans but if bots are necessary I like that they are competitive.
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I am keeping an eye on the rosters and will work in some tweaks - there still some odd things happening, like I just saw a bot team draft 4 catchers but only 3 OF. Also, I can see what I can do about not having them scoop up so many offensive players - in many cases it's fine but sometimes they get a few too many good hitters.
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Is the logic the same for Bot's in quick draft and daily draft leagues? Also, is the logic the same if a human forgets to rank (I might be guilty of that sometimes)? I just had it happen and the computer took two 3B in a row for me in the second and third round.
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supplemental drafts are very thin now, just drafted as last person in, really only about 6-8 guys that are decent(above 70 ranking) otherwise you are just looking at defense/speed or players you like. i enjoyed the previous set uo more, but i understand the need to upgrade, just kind of went from 1 extreme to another
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I hear what you are saying, but, and this isn't a wish for the old days.
When I first joined DWar was just being rolled out, so that's how long I have been playing and, there were zero BOTS, AND far fewer new owners. I had a LOT to learn and there are guys that are phenomenal at this game, I tip my hat to them, and every once in a while, I would actually Win, those wins felt better.
Covid blew up the numbers a LOT and BOTs became required, for me, the Bots were like STEALING.
Bots weakness diluted that " I WON" feeling for me compared to that.
Better competition means more attention to detail, looking at the rosters of people who beat you and seeing guys you routinely overlook that also routinely overperform but not so you would notice.
When I first joined DWar was just being rolled out, so that's how long I have been playing and, there were zero BOTS, AND far fewer new owners. I had a LOT to learn and there are guys that are phenomenal at this game, I tip my hat to them, and every once in a while, I would actually Win, those wins felt better.
Covid blew up the numbers a LOT and BOTs became required, for me, the Bots were like STEALING.
Bots weakness diluted that " I WON" feeling for me compared to that.
Better competition means more attention to detail, looking at the rosters of people who beat you and seeing guys you routinely overlook that also routinely overperform but not so you would notice.
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@wduncan Daily Draft logic is totally different. Two 3B in a row sounds like an odd thing, I will have to look into that. Could have just been odd luck that 3B was where the best players were at those rounds, but that logic could probably use a refresh as well, as it's not all that sophisticated.
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Overall, I'm happy with the changes and feel that the playing field is being leveled somewhat. There should be an advantage to staying in leagues, and there still is, but not to the extent that it was. It's hard (especially in rounds 2 & 3) to even get quality BENCH players in the Supplementals !! If you play these Autos frequently, and know all the ins and outs of which players can be changed to more advantageous seasons, you can manage to put together competitive teams - even if you enter as the 12th Man.
- The Sheik
- The Sheik
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Good points @sheikyerboudi - people forget that when humans occupied the 12 teams, this is what the Supplemental Draft looked like, we've just gotten spoiled by bad bot teams. The Supplemental Draft was always meant to be more of a place where you could grab maybe one more strong player and then role players or depth. That said, I do think a few more decent players should be around as I improve the initial bot draft logic - in some cases the bot teams were definitely getting too many good players.
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well wouldnt the rolling dynasty feature bring back some of the parity of auto leagues and in terms of being more human users?
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@sincitymarauder . Its the new type of auto league that gbacci will try to release eventually. It's under the join leagues list, you can find it
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Hard to say what rolling dynasty will be like, depends on how many people do it, but it would also be a very different experience than a typical auto league, so not sure it scratches the same itch for people who want to be in re-draft leagues. The "rolling" aspect could also mean there are often bots as people drop in and out.
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Yeah, between this change and the system correcting away hidden gem seasons so they're no longer hidden, I really don't feel there's any incentive to stay active and informed about a league. It was nice to be back on the site for awhile, but that kinda killed my enthusiasm. I wish you all the best.
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@big_papi001 before you go I’d love to understand what the “correcting away hidden gem seasons” refers to.
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So "auto-correct" simply means that the rank updates when you update the season being used?
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Im not knocking the auto draft changes. If you want to strive for parity I respect that. However, I personally feel that the managers that put in the time and effort should see favorable results. For me a large amount of excitement is missing when putting together a team. Maybe next we’ll be offering participation trophies. Anyway I enjoyed the fun this site has presented me but I am winding down all my teams but will complete their seasons.
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i agree with your point about the active managers getting a little more enjoyment than bots loading up their teams. i did find it more enjoyable to check my teams when they were in the playoff hunt, you had options if some guys struggled, the guys left on waivers are just not good. it is good that those teams are more competitive but i think they have become stronger than drafted teams, one league i am in 5 of the top 7 are bots, never seen that before
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It's been mentioned that there is ongoing course correction taking place as the impact of the latest tweaking is evaluated.
Yes, in many instances the Bots are having their revenge for years of being the resident tomato cans, but I keep reading about proactive measures being taken to address the overcompensation.
The dust has yet to settle on this worthwhile renovation so I say let's all have a little more faith and patience that things will work out for not only newcomers but also veterans.
This is a great site and it deserves to evolve without calls for mutiny or abandoning the ship.
Yes, in many instances the Bots are having their revenge for years of being the resident tomato cans, but I keep reading about proactive measures being taken to address the overcompensation.
The dust has yet to settle on this worthwhile renovation so I say let's all have a little more faith and patience that things will work out for not only newcomers but also veterans.
This is a great site and it deserves to evolve without calls for mutiny or abandoning the ship.
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That Bot team spikes Ernie Banks at SS, only to not start him and play him on the bench ! Brobably the best available SS at Mid-Century...
This is just a recurent thing hapenning now.
I guess a user can benefit from using him.
I am sorry, but I dont see anybody who can enjoy this kind of things happening.
Experienced users will handle the bots being better, its the newcomer that will have a hard time.
We are not playing this game for the bots to enjoy the game better, but for the users to enjoy it.
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
This is just a recurent thing hapenning now.
I guess a user can benefit from using him.
I am sorry, but I dont see anybody who can enjoy this kind of things happening.
Experienced users will handle the bots being better, its the newcomer that will have a hard time.
We are not playing this game for the bots to enjoy the game better, but for the users to enjoy it.
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
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See message just before yours. Any changes come with a grace period for a learning curve to make adjustments.
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In Fairness to the SIM regarding Ernie Banks
The BOT is starting Pee Wee Reese = he has a high OBP, Average and EOBP than Banks -
Banks is obviously a far superior player when you factor in his offense, but the SIM is discounting slugging percentage and overall power and defense so, in THIS particular situation the SIM is actually Wasting a player others would love to have, but isn't this also an argument that the BOTS are STILL Dumb?
The BOT is starting Pee Wee Reese = he has a high OBP, Average and EOBP than Banks -
Banks is obviously a far superior player when you factor in his offense, but the SIM is discounting slugging percentage and overall power and defense so, in THIS particular situation the SIM is actually Wasting a player others would love to have, but isn't this also an argument that the BOTS are STILL Dumb?
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I think it’s actually an argument that the SIM overvalues batting average and OBP and undervalues slugging when it comes to offensive ranking.
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Yeah, to sum it, the Bot is sitting a .975 OPS, 3.45 DWAR .985 Fielding % SS over a .860 OPS, 1.4 DWAR .965 fielding% player .
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Yeah I’m not sure why this team didn’t get the refreshed lineup logic, but I just refreshed that team and it uses Banks. I think the issue is more about the new lineup logic not being used in some cases, I will have to investigate why
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I feel like a good solution to this is what they have implemented in the football version. Any at bat over their season total has a penalty to their performance. For example, if a player had only 100 at-bats in 2024, any at-bat after that in the simulation has a 50% penalty to performance so it is more realistic with the actual level of the player.
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The suggestion of actual Games Played versus allowing whatever stats you accumulated in a limited amount of actual at bats to be the base for an entire season, has been brought up many times, with vehement opposition to changing the set up
The easiest way to do it would require a minimum number of at bats HIGHER than currently required, same for Pitchers
Just using that setting could create a new type League - I THINK??
The easiest way to do it would require a minimum number of at bats HIGHER than currently required, same for Pitchers
Just using that setting could create a new type League - I THINK??
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There could be an optional setting to apply a "deceleration" or fatigue factor. So, in the example cited above, the player's 101'st at-bat would be weaker than the first 100, but not dramatically; performance would gradually taper off. This would add an element of strategy to the game, e.g., a manager could "save" the player's 100 prime at-bats for the most important game situations.
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I have been thinking about this question a lot. I have come up with the idea of as soon as a player's AB or IP exceed their real values that the player would be put on an "Inactive list." I believe that this could be done after each round of sims. As soon as a player is put on the Inactive list they could no longer be used during the season. The rule could also be like the Slump Buster rule that a player that enters the playoffs active would stay active all the way through the playoffs. Just a thought and it would make managers give players days off so they could keep them active throughout the entire season and playoffs.
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I posted this because Gbacci stated that the BOTS are not used in the Supplemental Drafts
In This league they all picked....so my question would be, if BOTS carry over from the last Season, is the SIM not seeing them as BOTS? Because they are still active in the Supplemental Draft
This league's last supplemental draft completed on 7/17/2025. If you drafted any players, check your major or minor league roster.
Auto League 201 Best of 1970s
Here are the results:
Round 1, Draft 2
Serpents: P Mike Cuellar
Vinyl 70's: SS Jim Fregosi
Crabs: DH Ron Blomberg
Machine: SS Rick Burleson
Rhino: P Grant Jackson
Babitts: P Dave LaRoche
Neanderthals: P Dale Murray
Ducks: P Phil Niekro
Red Bears: DH Hal McRae
Plunder: P Tom Bradley
Outlaws: OF Mitchell Page
Round 2, Draft 2
Serpents: P Dave McNally
Vinyl 70's: OF Reggie Jackson
Crabs: C Gene Tenace
Machine: OF Lou Brock
Rhino: 1B Bruce Bochte
Babitts: P Pete Richert
Neanderthals: 3B Doug DeCinces
Ducks: P Mike Caldwell
Red Bears: P Marty Pattin
Plunder: P Dick Tidrow
Outlaws: OF Cleon Jones
In This league they all picked....so my question would be, if BOTS carry over from the last Season, is the SIM not seeing them as BOTS? Because they are still active in the Supplemental Draft
This league's last supplemental draft completed on 7/17/2025. If you drafted any players, check your major or minor league roster.
Auto League 201 Best of 1970s
Here are the results:
Round 1, Draft 2
Serpents: P Mike Cuellar
Vinyl 70's: SS Jim Fregosi
Crabs: DH Ron Blomberg
Machine: SS Rick Burleson
Rhino: P Grant Jackson
Babitts: P Dave LaRoche
Neanderthals: P Dale Murray
Ducks: P Phil Niekro
Red Bears: DH Hal McRae
Plunder: P Tom Bradley
Outlaws: OF Mitchell Page
Round 2, Draft 2
Serpents: P Dave McNally
Vinyl 70's: OF Reggie Jackson
Crabs: C Gene Tenace
Machine: OF Lou Brock
Rhino: 1B Bruce Bochte
Babitts: P Pete Richert
Neanderthals: 3B Doug DeCinces
Ducks: P Mike Caldwell
Red Bears: P Marty Pattin
Plunder: P Dick Tidrow
Outlaws: OF Cleon Jones
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@SinCityMarauder bots are still IN the supplemental draft, but they are being dropped to the bottom of the draft. You may not see this 100% for a while as it works its way through the leagues, but they should typically now be at the end, unless they have a particularly bad quick draft.
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Ok thanks for the Clarification - I just wanted to make sure there was no issue with the way things were being resolved
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I do want to comment on the feedback from @AC_Grumpy and @acecannon - these are good ideas which have been discussed, but as mentioned there's a heavy contingent of users who like using the smaller sample sizes for a full season. Might be worth a poll to see what the latest sentiment is on this topic.
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This is a great suggestion, I can almost guarantee it is as popular as Getting a filling sans Novocain
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In some leagues, finding good talent is very difficult. So dragging down players with lower amount AB will only reduce the talent pool.
Is this what we want also ?
Less amount of succesfull players we can pick in leagues, and more players that will just perform like a generic players ?
Is this what we want also ?
Less amount of succesfull players we can pick in leagues, and more players that will just perform like a generic players ?
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To PLPL512, I think you are assuming that this would be a PC Overall change, I don't want that, I am fine with status quo in other Leagues, this would be a new Type of League, and just another way to play.
I realize I may at times not express myself in a manner all are not happy with, I really don't mean to offend, I would have quit a long time ago if I didn't simply LOVE Baseball, I bet that if I met some other PC owners and we met for a Hot Dog and Beverage at Fenway, I would enjoy that game, win or lose,
BTW Sheik, I will be at Fenway next Friday night to see the Red Sox play the Dodgers, I would like to offer the Dodgers the best of luck, but I am happily unable to.
Seriously though, Sox - Dodgers, Friday Night!
I realize I may at times not express myself in a manner all are not happy with, I really don't mean to offend, I would have quit a long time ago if I didn't simply LOVE Baseball, I bet that if I met some other PC owners and we met for a Hot Dog and Beverage at Fenway, I would enjoy that game, win or lose,
BTW Sheik, I will be at Fenway next Friday night to see the Red Sox play the Dodgers, I would like to offer the Dodgers the best of luck, but I am happily unable to.
Seriously though, Sox - Dodgers, Friday Night!
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Plpl: The alternative is that John Lowenstein continues to win MVP awards in ATG leagues at a much greater rate than most Hall of Famers. In that case, talent isn't hard to come by, but Lowenstein crowds out other players with more AB.
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First Lowenstein would have to be in ATG leagues, which I don’t believe he is.
He wins MVP’s in Best of 80’s though.
He wins MVP’s in Best of 80’s though.
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There are many examples of high value players that played in less than half the games.
Here are a few:
League Name G Avg OBP SLG OPS
Deadball McVey, Cal 29 0.431 0.435 0.556 0.991
Ruthian Campbell, Bruce 76 0.372 0.440 0.587 1.027
Mid Century Wakefield, Dick 78 0.355 0.464 0.576 1.040
ATG Giles, Brian 51 0.355 0.443 0.612 1.055
1970-PresentCarpenter, Matt 47 0.305 0.414 0.727 1.141
Adding some type of restriction would add some strategy and make the sim more realistic.
Here are a few:
League Name G Avg OBP SLG OPS
Deadball McVey, Cal 29 0.431 0.435 0.556 0.991
Ruthian Campbell, Bruce 76 0.372 0.440 0.587 1.027
Mid Century Wakefield, Dick 78 0.355 0.464 0.576 1.040
ATG Giles, Brian 51 0.355 0.443 0.612 1.055
1970-PresentCarpenter, Matt 47 0.305 0.414 0.727 1.141
Adding some type of restriction would add some strategy and make the sim more realistic.
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Adding more micro management needs, will make it difficult to play many leagues at a time.
So leagues may not fill, and more bots will be needed !
So leagues may not fill, and more bots will be needed !
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Plpl, I thought the question on the table (what you responded to) was whether to have a poll, not whether to make a change. Having a poll wouldn't create a need for micro-adjustments, more bots, etc. Is the objection to the change itself or to even allowing a poll?
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AceCannon, its an interesting topic. And we have to accept that there will be opinions that will be diverging. And hopefully so.
I was commenting about the topic.
I absolutely dont mind a poll.
I understand why people dont like John Cagelosi or Lowenstain winning a MVP. I see stats line, some people see names...
I am from the school of Bill James and a Ken Phelps advocate. If that guy was allowed to play more, he would be an MLB HOF'er...
As long as people responding to the poll are even playing couple of auto leagues or at least interested in those.
Ace Cannon, since I never really call you out, but you did, I am wondering why you only are invested in one single Auto League. With barely 162 games played since January ???
If the pole identify who is interested in changes or not. I absolutely dont mind. Not to witch hunt. But to figure what type of users are interested in those changes..
If people are onky playing 1 or 2 auto leagues a year. But are shaking all the rampants to changes stuff, why should we even be concern ?
And even more, if these people have limited historic sims knowledge... and are clueless about all these works.
Some people here, have for more than 30-40-50 years of various baseball sims games usage. I think it should be valued...
I dont give a lot of value to many of the people who comments. As historicaly, they will never ever be very invested in these auto leagues anyway and will fade out very quickly...
I am just raising my hand here, and looking at the counter fiting effect of what people are proposing.
Couple of long time users here went private to me, saying there are quiting.
It is what it is..
I just hope we stop adjusting for flash in the pan people who wont stick around here for more than 6 months..
I was commenting about the topic.
I absolutely dont mind a poll.
I understand why people dont like John Cagelosi or Lowenstain winning a MVP. I see stats line, some people see names...
I am from the school of Bill James and a Ken Phelps advocate. If that guy was allowed to play more, he would be an MLB HOF'er...
As long as people responding to the poll are even playing couple of auto leagues or at least interested in those.
Ace Cannon, since I never really call you out, but you did, I am wondering why you only are invested in one single Auto League. With barely 162 games played since January ???
If the pole identify who is interested in changes or not. I absolutely dont mind. Not to witch hunt. But to figure what type of users are interested in those changes..
If people are onky playing 1 or 2 auto leagues a year. But are shaking all the rampants to changes stuff, why should we even be concern ?
And even more, if these people have limited historic sims knowledge... and are clueless about all these works.
Some people here, have for more than 30-40-50 years of various baseball sims games usage. I think it should be valued...
I dont give a lot of value to many of the people who comments. As historicaly, they will never ever be very invested in these auto leagues anyway and will fade out very quickly...
I am just raising my hand here, and looking at the counter fiting effect of what people are proposing.
Couple of long time users here went private to me, saying there are quiting.
It is what it is..
I just hope we stop adjusting for flash in the pan people who wont stick around here for more than 6 months..
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You can have all the Polls you like, and I'm sure Guy will at least have some interest in the results, but the inmates don't run the asylum.
- The Sheik
- The Sheik
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The idea of quitting is quite strange to me. Our esteemed CEO of PC has stated he is watching all the data coming in to make tweaks and wait and see the result of those to see what has to be done there. Patience is required.
From what I have read there was a large outcry of users who didn't like 4 bot teams that quite frankly sucked. Now the complaint is they are too good and winning isn't as easy. Boo-hoo.
I am glad this site isn't run by someone who leaps at the vocal minority but. does listen and is courteous to all.
From what I have read there was a large outcry of users who didn't like 4 bot teams that quite frankly sucked. Now the complaint is they are too good and winning isn't as easy. Boo-hoo.
I am glad this site isn't run by someone who leaps at the vocal minority but. does listen and is courteous to all.
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I will be honest, some people, myself included, have looked for changes or tweaks to The SIM's settings in SOME Leagues for quite some time, however instead Basketball and Football were introduced, to me that was quite telling, Guy was happy with the way Baseball was being run and decided to explore other options, and that's his call, not that he wasn't open to suggestions, just didn't see a real issue.
To the contingent who like the idea of allowing players with the minimum amount of AB or IP to accumulate stats unimpeded by their actual failure to accumulate a more reasonable quantity of stats - Gus created BUSH League, this league embraces that theory, but it's failure in my opinion because the pitchers are helpless - but its entertaining look at complied records over 3 seasons - it's CRAZY
And Big Advantage or Disadvantage Parks are not allowed, nor is Slump Buster
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgHist..
To the contingent who like the idea of allowing players with the minimum amount of AB or IP to accumulate stats unimpeded by their actual failure to accumulate a more reasonable quantity of stats - Gus created BUSH League, this league embraces that theory, but it's failure in my opinion because the pitchers are helpless - but its entertaining look at complied records over 3 seasons - it's CRAZY
And Big Advantage or Disadvantage Parks are not allowed, nor is Slump Buster
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgHist..
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The increase of bots competitvness have hurt the new users way more than the regular and long time users in the standings...
So the objective is a fail, if it was to intice newcomers to stick around. Its a lot easier for newcomers to stick around when your team is winning, or at least being competitive, and the bots being bad helped that.
Now, The newcomers are the ones now replacing the bots at the bottom of the standings and having a hard time..
ON another hand, I would be a lot more concern about the runnning game just not being representative at all vs either playing or not a player who only has 300AB in the season,etc...
I've seen players with 40-45 SB having a 7 speed rating, and are just not able to steal bases efficiently, so they pile up familic steals numbers...
And surely, when playing baseball sim games, one of the funniest part is about managing the running game and getting the wheels going...
So the objective is a fail, if it was to intice newcomers to stick around. Its a lot easier for newcomers to stick around when your team is winning, or at least being competitive, and the bots being bad helped that.
Now, The newcomers are the ones now replacing the bots at the bottom of the standings and having a hard time..
ON another hand, I would be a lot more concern about the runnning game just not being representative at all vs either playing or not a player who only has 300AB in the season,etc...
I've seen players with 40-45 SB having a 7 speed rating, and are just not able to steal bases efficiently, so they pile up familic steals numbers...
And surely, when playing baseball sim games, one of the funniest part is about managing the running game and getting the wheels going...
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I realize coming in hot with strong opinions is kind of the norm on the Internet, but I wish everyone would just take a beat and give things time to sort out. Guy has shown a willingness to listen to feedback and make tweaks, and honestly that is the fun of playing with a sim. That it can change and evolve and we have to adapt.
I was one of those who argued for the Sims to get better and be more competitive. The first leagues since those changes were made are just coming to an end so let's just see what it looks like and let Guy keep tweaking. For the first time in a long time, I am going to miss the playoffs in an auto-league. While that is less fun than a .700 winning pct it is also a nice change of pace.
Figuring out how to manipulate the draft to build a super team was fun but it was also fleeting. Once the draft was over and the season got underway it was often boring and it was on to the next draft to see if I could top it. Having something more competitive is just something new. Maybe it will be more fun, or maybe not.
Trading is barely a thing in the auto leagues. My one complaint with bot teams is that they are a large chunk of the league without any chance to even make an offer. Sometimes those are the only teams you line up well with to make an offer to. With the league getting more competitive it would be a fresh twist if trading started to become part of the game. I do not think there is a lot Guy can do to help that though. Human owners seem to often be about as responsive as the bots.
I was one of those who argued for the Sims to get better and be more competitive. The first leagues since those changes were made are just coming to an end so let's just see what it looks like and let Guy keep tweaking. For the first time in a long time, I am going to miss the playoffs in an auto-league. While that is less fun than a .700 winning pct it is also a nice change of pace.
Figuring out how to manipulate the draft to build a super team was fun but it was also fleeting. Once the draft was over and the season got underway it was often boring and it was on to the next draft to see if I could top it. Having something more competitive is just something new. Maybe it will be more fun, or maybe not.
Trading is barely a thing in the auto leagues. My one complaint with bot teams is that they are a large chunk of the league without any chance to even make an offer. Sometimes those are the only teams you line up well with to make an offer to. With the league getting more competitive it would be a fresh twist if trading started to become part of the game. I do not think there is a lot Guy can do to help that though. Human owners seem to often be about as responsive as the bots.
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Thanks @markphip well said. The bot logic is being tweaked until we find the happy medium.
The whole mission of this site is to bring the joy of sports sim to as may people as possible. It's never going to be a perfect product and it's never going to be a product that can please everyone simultaneously. But something clearly had to be done about the first few Quick Drafters getting crazy rosters. That was fun only for that small group of people. Newbies are going to struggle initially regardless.
I really don't know what will come of this topic of "nerfing" people with few ABs, it's a valid topic but I know it will upset a lot of long timers. I don't know if I would start by upsetting Auto Leagues with a dramatic change, but it could be something that starts as a feature for custom leagues.
The whole mission of this site is to bring the joy of sports sim to as may people as possible. It's never going to be a perfect product and it's never going to be a product that can please everyone simultaneously. But something clearly had to be done about the first few Quick Drafters getting crazy rosters. That was fun only for that small group of people. Newbies are going to struggle initially regardless.
I really don't know what will come of this topic of "nerfing" people with few ABs, it's a valid topic but I know it will upset a lot of long timers. I don't know if I would start by upsetting Auto Leagues with a dramatic change, but it could be something that starts as a feature for custom leagues.
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I know it's only 1/10 th thru the season but you dont see a bot on top very often https://www.pennantchase.com/league..
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This league I am in is nearing end of season and bots are in 2nd and 3rd. https://www.pennantchase.com/league..
I am not sure that is a horrible thing as long as it is not common and I think Guy has been adjusting the format since then regardless.
I am not sure that is a horrible thing as long as it is not common and I think Guy has been adjusting the format since then regardless.
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Again all, please let's stop getting overly excited on how bots are currently doing. The formula will undergo tweaks as we go.
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" At least the bots probably wouldn't make ridiculous offers........"
or WORSE accept them.
I honestly view trading like dealing with a Car salesman, no offense if that's your job, but as a prospect you just want to say " Look, if you want me to buy this car, don't insult me by making me badger you to get a fair deal" I get that we both want to do well for ourselves, but I just don't want to OVERPAY, make me an honest fair offer that helps both of us and I will honestly consider it, but that almost NEVER happens.
BOTS would be abused in trades - and the people abusing them would say " I'm within the rules" caveat emptor
Then pull a muscle patting themselves on the back.
or WORSE accept them.
I honestly view trading like dealing with a Car salesman, no offense if that's your job, but as a prospect you just want to say " Look, if you want me to buy this car, don't insult me by making me badger you to get a fair deal" I get that we both want to do well for ourselves, but I just don't want to OVERPAY, make me an honest fair offer that helps both of us and I will honestly consider it, but that almost NEVER happens.
BOTS would be abused in trades - and the people abusing them would say " I'm within the rules" caveat emptor
Then pull a muscle patting themselves on the back.
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One last thought, and again this is not a shot but an observation, long time owners have said that making BOTS better will make it Harder on new owners, I agree, however, many of the owners commenting here, and making good points and thoughts by the way, were here WAY before BOTS and navigated that minefield or quit because they simply didn't spend enough time to understand all the permutations and opportunities available to them, I was here almost 2 years when I discovered I could draft a guy and in some Leagues, like say for example " Best of the 90's" to another season within the 90's
There really is no real HOW TO for new guys THAT is a problem if you want to grow your base, it's like Chess, I can teach someone every they know, but NOT everything I know, and they have no shot
There really is no real HOW TO for new guys THAT is a problem if you want to grow your base, it's like Chess, I can teach someone every they know, but NOT everything I know, and they have no shot
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"Ace Cannon, since I never really call you out, but you did, I am wondering why you only are invested in one single Auto League. With barely 162 games played since January ???"
Simple--I'm trying to become the John Lowenstein of Auto Leagues.
Simple--I'm trying to become the John Lowenstein of Auto Leagues.
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Personal opinion - I also hate the new bots. I'd rather go up against 4 actual players with a bunch of ****ty bot teams padding the standings for the real users than see bots as 3 out of 6 of the postseason teams. The winning percentage of some of those bot teams doesn't make much sense either. As a result I think I'm going to just quit all but a few leagues that I've been in for a while. There have to be some minor tweaks in there somewhere that would balance out the bot teams to be more competitive but not a chore to compete against.
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The way bots are handled has already been tweaked since the current leagues that are ending were drafted. So it is an overreaction to be drawing big conclusions. The change to Supplemental Draft Order will make a difference and I am sure Guy will keep adjusting the drafting algorithms as well.
I also just want to note that I am not suggesting we should be able to make trades with Bot teams. I am just noting that a downside of the current team you end up with is that the opportunities to find a trade partner are limited. It is very easy now to have a mediocre player at a position with no upgrades available as Free Agents and then you cannot trade with a third of the league so often you just cannot find someone to make an offer to.
I also just want to note that I am not suggesting we should be able to make trades with Bot teams. I am just noting that a downside of the current team you end up with is that the opportunities to find a trade partner are limited. It is very easy now to have a mediocre player at a position with no upgrades available as Free Agents and then you cannot trade with a third of the league so often you just cannot find someone to make an offer to.
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Making trades with bots?
That could make things very, very interesting.
Not sure if it would be the good or bad interesting, but it would be interesting, no doubt!
That could make things very, very interesting.
Not sure if it would be the good or bad interesting, but it would be interesting, no doubt!
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@arsnotoria as mentioned in the prior thread it's a work in progress, the level you currently see the bot teams at right now is not where they will be in future leagues, and as also discussed them being dropped in the supplemental drafts moving forward will also further hamper those teams.
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2 bots max per leagues, Have them be whip boys, like expansion teams would be, so new users can at least pull a fight , and just have all positions covered with enough players at every positions.
And no bots for Favorite Team Leagues
My 2 cents.
And no bots for Favorite Team Leagues
My 2 cents.
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I would like to ask Guy if he could apply the logic that made these bot teams so good to me and have them draft for me. I need help.
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A real problem is that owners join an Auto League, draft, and then don't like the team they got so they quit the League either immediately or before it starts - Nothing will change unless that loophole is closed, Its really annoying and shouldn't be allowed, you are allowed to BROWSE a League and see what talent remains in the FA Pool, USE that option to decide if you want to join or not, but once you click " Join League" PC should FORCE you to draft a team, I don't care if you neglect it afterwards, but you own it.
I join Leagues that say there are 5 openings, I join and 2 days later there are 6 openings -because some teams automatically rejoined, don't draft a team WTF?? - I know, that the SIM returns owners to a league once it ends, but once a team either fails to make the playoffs, or gets eliminated, they should get a pop up or something ASKING if they want to return, not automatically return them, yes owners can leave a league, most ignore it.
I join Leagues that say there are 5 openings, I join and 2 days later there are 6 openings -because some teams automatically rejoined, don't draft a team WTF?? - I know, that the SIM returns owners to a league once it ends, but once a team either fails to make the playoffs, or gets eliminated, they should get a pop up or something ASKING if they want to return, not automatically return them, yes owners can leave a league, most ignore it.
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Maybe we need to have a massive culling of the auto leagues and look for other changes. What if we tried having no bots and instead incentivized the last 3-4 teams to join a league? Maybe they could have guaranteed top of the supplemental draft and/or additional pick in the first round?
I rarely will join a league if there are 2 or fewer spots left. I just do not want to get stuck with a really bad draft but I might be open to doing it if the league was full of real players and I was not penalized for drafting last.
Another quick draft request for me would be undo option. I sometimes, though rarely, go too fast and click the wrong player but also sometimes seeing who is offered to me later makes me wish I could swap out someone. If I could go back and undo selections and then replay the draft selections that might also help.
I rarely will join a league if there are 2 or fewer spots left. I just do not want to get stuck with a really bad draft but I might be open to doing it if the league was full of real players and I was not penalized for drafting last.
Another quick draft request for me would be undo option. I sometimes, though rarely, go too fast and click the wrong player but also sometimes seeing who is offered to me later makes me wish I could swap out someone. If I could go back and undo selections and then replay the draft selections that might also help.
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@SinCityMarauder i have drafted in a few leagues that have waited 2-3 weeks after the draft before they finally fill. i guess i am just impatient because i lose interest in those leagues quickly, therefore i have quit before it starts. i know a few people who don't like that but i just feel that it is a bit excessive to wait that long. i had 3 drafted teams that were waiting almost 3 weeks to start, 2 have finally started, if the third does not start soon, unfortunately i will leave it as well, i will be driving for 3 days and don't want to risk it starting while i am on the road and missing the supplemental draft and ranking players. sometimes life gets in the way of exercising patience
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I don't care for the "undo" option, UNLESS you could only do it once in a draft
Incentivizing the last 3 or 4 Teams to join is a good thought as well, I don't know if a higher supplemental pick is enough though, but what else is there?
rlapierre- The delay in waiting for a League to fill is directly tied to owners joining, not liking their draft and quitting
If Auto Drafts did NOT draft until the League was Full, they would fill almost immediately, then the SIM would randomly assign a Draft slot and the draft starts in say 3 days, When it's your turn, you draft, within 1 day, or get a SIM drafted team, Owners could rank - in case they missed their slot, and a shutdown overnight should occur for say 4-6 hours, where the clock is frozen, BUT if you are up, you could draft and the next guy ups clock doesn't start until the draft reopens
That could work
Incentivizing the last 3 or 4 Teams to join is a good thought as well, I don't know if a higher supplemental pick is enough though, but what else is there?
rlapierre- The delay in waiting for a League to fill is directly tied to owners joining, not liking their draft and quitting
If Auto Drafts did NOT draft until the League was Full, they would fill almost immediately, then the SIM would randomly assign a Draft slot and the draft starts in say 3 days, When it's your turn, you draft, within 1 day, or get a SIM drafted team, Owners could rank - in case they missed their slot, and a shutdown overnight should occur for say 4-6 hours, where the clock is frozen, BUT if you are up, you could draft and the next guy ups clock doesn't start until the draft reopens
That could work
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Seems like a good time for a plug for Custom Leagues. I know some of you guys LOVE autos but for anyone who has never tried a custom league, I highly recommend the experience. Gets you more immersed in a community of fellow-baseball lovers, and it's just more fun. I played lots of autos too and enjoyed some of it, but they left me feeling like a bit of a bot myself. If you want some more human interaction, check out some Custom Leagues. You may or may not be disappointed!
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