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as a lifetime ms fan im awaiting the results of this years hof ballot. its edgars last chance.the vets committee just voted in baines,edgar was better thasn baines. loyalties aside who do you think is the most deserving player not in thr hall. I think its steve garvey. lifetime .299 avg mvp worls series mvp 10 x all star 4 gold gloves 3 rd longest consecutivegame streak,but he messed around with the writers wives and they made him pay for it, hey it was the 70s take care of your wife.

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Obviously Edgar will have is spot, if not elected, it will be via the vet comitee,

as for the forgotten players...

how can a 75WAR player be left out... sweet Lou,
Lou Whitaker is a no brainer...

Fred McGriff is also left out... despite his 493 dingers, an automatic 30 hrs a season year in and year out, combine with good AVG, quite among the most feared hitters of his ERA

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Lou Whitaker was a real nice player but Hall of Fame?? I am not sold for one- 5 AS appearances, 3 GG, in 19 years, in fact he is kinda doubtful as being worthy of a Bust in Cooperstown.

Fred Magriff - should have hit 7 more Homers, that is like the Golden Ticket, but He should probably get in

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Lou Whitaker is quite synoymous with excellence at 2B...
If Ryne Sandberg was an undebatable selection into the HOF, Whitaker should then be part of it.... as I would take Whitaker before Sandberg... They are quite the benchmark of excellence at the position...

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Good candidates, but my nomination would be Dale Murphy. The definition of a HOF is someone who dominated the game during their era. Murphy dominated the 80's. For the decade, he led the NL in games, AB, runs, hits, extra base hits, RBI, TB, and runs created. He finished second in HR to Mike Schmidt. He won 2 MVPs, 5 GG, 4 SS and was a 7-time AS. He got off to a slow start due to defensive challenges as a catcher, but once he went to the OF, his career took off. He was only the third player to bat .300, hit 30 HR and steal 30 bases in a season (after Hank Aaron and Willie Mays). His 162 game average of 30 HR, 89 runs and 94 RBI rank better than most players in the Hall. Unfortunately, he became eligible for the Hall during the steroid era, which made his stats look less impressive.

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wow this thread is ****ing amazing - and not in a good way -- try Steve Garvey, Gil Hodges, and Marty Marion among others - and BTW designated hitters don't belong in the hall of fame period

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You know now that you mention it Nap, seeing how the DH rule has only been in place like 45 years we should not allow any statistics compiled as a DH count toward H.O.F. consideration.

Further The Draft should be re-instituted, Gay marriage should still be illegal, Restrictions on guns should be repealed, and it should be acceptable to discriminate vs people due to sex. age, or creed. Because change is bad

Want to try again?

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No thanks, your condescending tone undermines your already meritlesss argument - kthxbye

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Sorry if I sounded condescending, I was simply making a point, rules change, and so must our expectations about some things because of those changes.

If a guy is strictly a DH for 15 Seasons and finishes his career with

.330 BA
35 HR year
90 RBI year
.570 SLG %

He's worthy of the H.O.F. - that being said, a comparable player who ALSO fielded, should get in before the DH


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SinCity, I agree with this point.

Restrictions on guns should be repealed,

They should be. What part of "Shall not be infringed" don't they get?

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DH do belong in the hall, it wasn't their fault where the ppl signing their check wanted them to play. Just like reliever's they can't control how their used, Hoffman was a ss but the club like his strong arm and converted him

Dale Murphy does not belong in the hall, gotta look at the over picture. career BA .265 HR398 Hits 2111 he might have won some nice awards, being an all star don't mean anything, fans vote that, but his overall numbers

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The problem with just looking at a player's career numbers to determine whether someone belongs in the Hall of Fame, is that they don't always tell the whole story. Sandy Koufax is universally acknowledged as the greatest left-handed pitcher in baseball history, yet he only had 165 career wins. It was his absolute dominance from 1962-1966 that earned him that distinction. Ralph Kiner finished his career with "only" 971 runs, 369 HR and 1015 RBI, but he dominated the NL during the late 40's and early 50's, cementing his spot in the Hall. Other examples are Roy Campanella, Mickey Cochrane, Hack Wilson, Kirby Puckett and Jackie Robinson. The only minimum career number requirement I'm aware of is 10 years played. If you dominated your era during that 10+ year span, you are eligible.

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The only guy you mentioned as slightly borderline due to a shortish career,I would disagree with is Hack Wilson, his RBI Totals are disproportionately, frankly ridiculous, the man drove in 191 runs one year without hitting a single grand slam.

The injury that effectively ended his career, was not commonly fixable in his era, he might have missed a season recovering, but if he had come back afterwards and played 5 more seasons at even 75% of his previous ability, there would be no doubt he is HOF eligible.

Roy Campenella's career was also cut short due to a horrific car accident that left him a in a wheel chair. He also played in an era tough on Black players but his immense talent and skills allowed him to both earn respect among his fellow players and baseball fans in general, he helped pave the way for more great minority players to show their worthiness, HOF? ok a tad low, but his importance to the game, accumulated during a bad time frame for black athletes should not be overlooked either.

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Some are in there for their absolute dominance, others for their impact at their respective position, their absolute consistancy for so many years...

Since you are bringing Kiner... how about Carlos Delgado.... clubbing 473hrs at a ridiculous rate of 38HRS. per 162 games while maintaining a good bat avg too at .280 and being an outstanding run producer... unreasonnably being discarded from the ballots after his 1st year of egibility... very few can say that they had 30+hrs for 10years in a row or even 9 years in. a row of +.900 ops...

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saying that the dh is not wotthy of the hall becasuse its only been around for 45yrs is like saying black players should not be worthy becvause theve only been around 70 yrs,stupid

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I always thought Edgar should have been inducted, love it or not he revolutionized the DH position and I mean he has an award named after him. My personal feeling is that before him, DH's were looked at as a place to stick a decent aging player that you just cant part with. To me, Edgar showed you can use the DH slot as a viable offensive option.

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Um, perhaps you should proofread the post wherein you call other people "stupid." It contains multiple errors, including syntax, spelling, punctuation and grammar. Pot meet kettle.

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Game changer in deed Martinez was one of them, same thing will be said when Ortiz name will come...will his suposed peds usage will be considered as much as it his for Bonds,Clemens &co for his HOF induction....

As for Mussina... Schilling was a way more dominant pitcher in the same ERA...