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Slump Buster issue


Slump Buster issue

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In the league above I had Scott Garrelts in slump buster starting on 4/30 - the final game of the season went off at 3am EST and Garrelts got kicked out of slump buster- I thought it was not supposed to expire through the playoffs? He should still be in Slump Buster.

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His 30 days ended right then, just before playoffs.

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But Slump Bust is not supposed to expire through the Playoffs- if you are Slump Buster eligible game 162 - you should be good through the Playoffs?

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I'm guessing that according to the SIM, if your Slump Buster expires on the last game of the season, then it expires, but if it's not set to expire until the next real calendar day, then it stays. Guy may have to weigh in on this. Also, another question, does that Slump Buster not expiring in the playoffs rule also extend to all Custom leagues automatically? Asking for a friend (Tim Teufel).

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SCM, your player was not SB eligible for game 162, it ended right before. That last game was played on the 30th and SB ended on the 29th.

Not for custom leagues, no. That’s up to commish.

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Just to be more specific, SB started on 30th, so that’s Day 1, May 1st is day 2.....May 29 is day 30. Once a game is played on day 31, it ends (before the game is played, not after). This was a case of SB ending after game 161.

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I had 1 game left, (had already played game 161) and checked to see if Garrelts was still in Slump Bust, HE was- so if it did not show expired until AFTER game 162 or he should not have been still in slump bust AFTER game 161, because how would I know to replace him with someone who could take advantage of it if possible?? That does not seem right. In fact you get prompt when you have slump buster eligible guys and are not using it, I got no such prompt -

Obviously this was important to me so that's why I paid strict attention to it. Seems like he should still be eligible to me from the way it's worded for auto leagues. And if ended on the 29th, he would have been out 1st game of the 29th, so this is clear as mud

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That’s not how it works. Yes, he was still on SB after game 161 because it was still Day 30. Once a game is played on Day 31
SB is turned off, BEFORE the game is played. so SB ended between 161 and 162.

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Maybe this will help, Sin. I feel like Slump Buster doesn't necessarily end at the beginning or end of a particular game, but rather, I believe that it expires at midnight on the last calendar day, so it would have expired, as Yankee said, between game 161 and 162, when the clock struck midnight in Seattle.

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technically, if no game was played for 5 days, it would still show him on SB well past 30 days, but once that next game is triggered and it sees he is not eligible anymore, it takes him off before the game starts, since that game is being played past the 30 day mark.

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Ok, I accept the answer but the current set up is a little vague - I doubt this same situation crops up that often.

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But in our custom league, when the League goes into All Star Break and there are no games for 3 or 4 days - Slump Buster can and will expire on you, just the same way that injured players heal over the shut down- I believe there should be a freeze on both, It can ONLY be advantageous for the Team with Injured players, and deleterious for those with Guys in Slump Bust especially those who have climbed above .220 and are losing days of eligibility.

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Right about custom leagues. Works the same way as Auto, Auto just doesn’t take breaks. Slump buster is set for days not games, so if your league goes on break for days at a time, yeah, those days count whether there are games or not. Injuries are for games, not days, and they only heal during breaks if the commish manually grants PC days off (which most do during AS break).

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So what can a commissioner do to even that up in Custom Leagues?

It's not an equitable situation, Injuries should not heal with days off, they are GAMES you are supposed to miss.

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Injuries do not heal with days. They heal with games or if commish goes into commish tools and selects ‘grant days off’ which is meant to be used during AS Break and playoffs to simulate rest. Otherwise injuries only heal by games. This is normal. Injuries and slump buster are two different things and no reason for them to be treated the same.

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We can discuss Slump Buster and Injuries ad-nauseam -

BUT-- days off can only work against Slump Busted players because there is a limit to how long they can be Slump Busted - and I am FOR THAT - unlimited Slump Bust is BAD

But days off are only Good for injured players because it reduces the amount of games an owner has them available, common sense says that it is usually one of your best players who gets hurt, because you start your best players whenever possible.

Slump Buster is generally one of your WORSE players and that Slump Bust time is his chance to make hay, so it is a pretty sizable disparity.

Just one guys take, and it does not mean I am correct, in fact I would welcome opinions on this


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Agree on your thoughts about SB the shorter the better. But you are comparing two different types of ‘days off’.

If commish sims games on Monday then doesn’t sim games
again until Friday, that’s 3 days of no games. That impacts SB because that is 3 real life days used up where player didn’t get to play. But that has no impact on injuries because no games were played. So real life days off affects SB but not injuries.

When commish goes to commish tools and selects Grant Days Off, during AS break, playoffs, whenever, that actually simulates games being played. Those affect only injuries and players needing rest, not slump buster. So those are not real life days (SB), they are game days (injuries). There is no single action that impacts both.

So yes, a commish taking days off during a season for planned break or absence does affect how many games your slump busted player gets, but that has nothing to do with anything that impacts injuries. A commish doing the ‘grant days off’ for break or playoffs affects injuries, but it has nothing to do with slump buster or have any impact on it. These are two completely separate things that commishes do or don’t do. During all star breaks the commish typically does both. This makes sense, simulating player rest/healing over an all star break. But commish doesn’t have to take any real life days off (affecting SB) if they don’t want to. Completely separate things, one does not impact the other.

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I think gbacci should join in and check this out. I agree 100% with you both. All of your points make sense!

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I think I was told that Slump Buster goes on Calendar days- it has nothing to do with any action or inaction by the commissioner -

If your league has a 10 day Slump Bust limit and you enter it on 6/1, on 6/11 you are done (unless you are still under .220)

I could be wrong, but I think that's what the my commissioner said.

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Yes you are right, no one has said otherwise. What I said was slump buster is impacted by calendar days and injuries are not. Injuries are impacted by games played and slump buster is not.

I’m trying to answer this incorrect comment

“when the League goes into All Star Break and there are no games for 3 or 4 days - Slump Buster can and will expire on you, just the same way that injured players heal over the shut down”

They are NOT impacted in the same way. The reason you see them both impacted during all star break is because TWO different things are happening that are based on individual commish decisions. If the commish decides to take 3 real calendar days off from simming, that impacts slump buster only. Some commish don’t take real calendar days off during AS Break. Some take one. Some take breaks at random times because they get busy. All of those real calendar breaks affect slump buster only. Those breaks do not impact injury time.

There is a completely separate thing commish can do during AS break (or playoffs), which is ‘grant days off’. This simulates as if each team played a game, so it lowers injury time as if a game was played. This move has zero impact on slump buster and the commish doesn’t ever have to do it, it’s a choice some make during AS or playoff series.

So I’ve just been trying to explain that these are two different events affecting two different things, and they don’t necessarily have to happen individually or together, that just depends what the commish does. In auto leagues, during AS break, Guy has 3 PC days off ( affecting injuries) but the sims keep on going so slump bust isn’t impacted.

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I understand you explanation completely and it makes sense, I guess what really doesn't make sense is the fact that there is no way for the commissioner to maintain Slump Buster if in fact the league goes dark for say a week.

The days off granted heal or rest players for the days of rest granted by the Commish, which is fine - but it's kinda rude to only have say 10 days Slump Buster eligibility, and lose most of it when you never could use it because there are no sims going on.

Also, if the commissioner gives all teams 3 days rest that is equal to 3 games - 3 days missed by slump bust is a minimum of 11 games lost to the slump bust because calendar days include multiple games