2020 in Fav Teams leagues

So I was just building a team in a Fav Teams league and discovered myself short on starting pitching because the 2 starters I was planning on using from a 2020 season were both tagged as relief pitchers even though neither on made a single relief appearance that season.

Has anybody else noticed this?
Was this something that was done on purpose to limit the anomaly seasons from say Trevor Bauer and Justin Bieber?

I mean the small sample Matt Carpenter can be used why not a crazy season from a starting pitcher in 2020?

Yeah yeah I know his name isn't Justin Bieber but that is how I think of him and for the life of me I can't remember his actual first name right now it has just turned 6am where I am and I have already been up for almost 2 hours already sue me.

For the record this is in league 1206 I am building a SD team and the pitchers in question were Dinelson Lamet and Zach Davies

Any pitcher with fewer than 85 IP is automatically tagged as a relief pitcher. That rule makes 2020 teams tough to choose.

That's not right. If you can use 2000 Mark McGwire 2022 Matt Carpenter or 1954 Dusty Rhodes as just a few examples of popular Fav Teams used why do you get penalized cause you starter made fewer than 15 starts?

1871 Levi Meyrle is used in every deadball league with his .492 batting average. 1922 Reb Russel is used in every Ruthian league those 2 examples are just off the top of my head I am sure there are others.

A pitcher should be tagged as a SP/RP based on percentage of starts he made not an arbitrary IP limit.

To be fair Mayrle did play in 29 games and that 1871 season the teams only played 26-30 games but cmon was the 1871 National Assosiation truly a "Major"league?

I would also like to point out that the AB/IP limits pretty much prevent you from building any kind of Fav Team from the Negro Leagues.

Not sure the IP minimum is "arbitrary".

I agree that the SP/RP distinction should be based on percentage of appearances as starter vs. as reliever. That makes much more sense. Any rule based IP would be arbitrary in this context. A guy could pitch hundreds of innings, all as a long reliever, and start zero games, and be coded as a starter.

That’s expected. It’s been this way for over two years now with 2020. There has to be some arbitrary limit on pitchers and hitters. We’re never going to have limits that everyone thinks are fair.

OK first off one of my earlier posts may have sounded more harsh than I intended I will apologize if it came off that way.

I came back to this game around August after being away for about 6 years I then tapered off in November cause I couldn't see now that I have had the first eye surgery and can see out of 1 eye I am getting back into it more

second I don't have a problem with the minimum limits 125 ab 35 ip the only thing I have a problem with is a SP who made 12 of 12 appearancves as a SP pitched 69-75 innings and gets tagged as a RP on the flip side I saw recently a pitcher from 1927 I think it was who pitched something like 50 games 15 starts and got tagged as a SP when they should have been tagged as a RP. The distinction between SP and RP should be made by percentage of appearances not IP there have been multiple instances of pitchers who made zero starts yet still pitched 130-150 innings I think there have even been 1 or 2 that qualified for the ERA title with zero starts do these pitchers get tagged as starters?

I will close with 1 final example I see that the Negro League teams are available for Fav Teams leagues now but I haven't seen anybody use them. I would think the people who play Fav Teams looking for crazy stats would be all over that and who wouldn't be all over Josh Gibson batting .420 with a .910 slg

Except

I picked 4 Homestead Grays teams all 4 had winning percents over .600 but I tried to get at least 4 years between them so they wound up being 1932 1938 1943 1948

Try to build a team from there
well you would have a pool of 42 players to choose your 35 from but wait a bunch of them are duplicates so you actually only have a pool of about 30 players to choose your 35 from

you have a grand total of 5 starting pitchers to choose your 5 starting pitchers from hope you don't have an injury

I am not saying the minimums should be changed but I am saying do away with that 85 ip for starters the distiction needs to be %of appearances

Yep. I have Rick Aguilera in a 1989 replay league. He pitched 11 games, all as a starter. Zero relief appearances. He's tagged as a reliever. On the bright side, he has phenomenal endurance, as "relievers" go!

OK found it
1927 Wilcy Moore 50g 12 gs 213 ip tagged as a SP

let us be blunt this is wrong the guy was a relief pitcher he was used as a relief pitcher and what was known back then as a "Sunday Starter" he spent his entire career as a relief pitcher I mean he led the league in saves that year yet he gets tagged as a starter cause he pitched 200 innings
For his entire career 261 games 32 starts he spent his entire career as a relief pitcher in the 20's/30's yet here he gets tagged as a SP

Let me ask a follow up question since I wasn't here during the time frame what did you do for best of 2020 leagues? did you just skip that year have best of 2019 for 2 years then jump to 2021? or did you waive the 85 ip rule for best of 2020 league cause not one single pitcher actually pitched 85 ip in 2020

@Griff thanks for coming back to PC, always good to have you.

The single 2020 auto league seasons obviously didn't have a limitation because every pitcher in the league played the short season.

The 85 IP limit was not altered for Fav Teams, but people could still choose to use 2020 and get some valuable RPs from their teams.

I don't totally disagree with you that if I were to re-write the baseball experience, I would probably allow SPs to be SPs but once they surpassed their real-life number of starts, they would be somehow limited, and the same would go for hitters if they surpass their real-life ABs. Although even that doesn't really solve the issue that 2020 SPs can't really be used in Fav Teams as full-time SPs.

I get the argument that some pitchers started only a handful of games, and since they had more than 85 IP, are allowed to be SPs. I get that that is it entirely fair or ideal either. But I do think having that larger sample size of innings means something.

One last question then I am going to drop it I made my point it's over.

Does Mike Marshall get tagged as a SP? 208 innings pitched even though he made zero starts.

Did you know there have been 71 seasons where a pitcher pitched 125 or more innings with zero starts topped off by Marshall with 208 innings of relief. Before somebody says well old timey baseball was different I will point out that 49 of those 71 seasons happened in or after the year of my birth 1970 and that only 6 of those seasons happened before 1960

If you change it to fewer than 10% of apperances were starts the number is 118 and pitchers with 125 innings and fewer than 20% were starts is 210

A thought just occured to me maybe you can tag some of these pitchers as swing pitchers they can be assigned as a starter or as a reliever there have been plenty of pitchers used in that roll over the years even before the "opener" concept Ramiro Mendoza from the late 90's Yankees comes to mind a lot of later famous starters often were used that way in their first year Fergie Jenkins as a 23 year old he pitched 61 games with 12 starts

I don't know I am rambling it's 2100 I have been up since 04 time fore bed

No I think Marshall is still a RP, but just has more stamina than most modern day relievers. He absolutely has to have at least one start to be eligible as a starter. Of course I think there's more to it than that but that's the gist of it as far as I can tell...

He made 106 appearances , so even if he could start you might get 3 ip out of him and you would still need 6 from the pen. There are some great vids on youtube about Marshall. He started studying sports physyology and has come up with a better delivery that would cause fewer arm problems but its not cool looking and for some reason mlb has a beef with him. Interesting watch anyway and it makes sense. It's almost the same thing with rick barry and his underhanded free throw style, he told shaq that he could avg 10 more pts a game shooting that way but shaq said that wasn't his style. If shaq had done that he wouldnt have suffered the hack a shaq defense where they just brutalized him and his carreer would have lasted longer. It probably would be his scoring record that lebron was going after. And for some reason rick barry pissed a lot of nba people off.

"Iron MIke" Marshall set records for appearances (106) and relief IP (208) won 15 and saved 21 in 1974. He won the Cy Young for a young 100 win Dodger team that lost to Oakland in the WS that season. Marshall earned a doctorate in kinesiology at Michigan State University. He also had an awesome fu manchu mustache.

Don't forget the mad hungarian .

Good old Al hrbosky