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The problems with Auto Leagues


The problems with Auto Leagues

Between increased cheating and a growing lack of civility/maturity with the increased numbers of children playing in the auto leagues, it seems time to totally withdraw from the Auto Leagues.

It's a shame that it comes down to this as I truly enjoyed matching myself against a lot of the better players. I still haven't gotten the best of Jamin enough times to feel I reached my goal there. I know how some of the more veteran players felt in deciding to pull back. I choose instead to play out my 4 remaining auto leagues and just stick with custom instead. I think I found 7 leagues that have interesting aspects, good owners and a different set of challenges in each. Hopefully, those leagues stay at their current high levels in each.

I hope that if Guy sees the current problems with Auto as a problem, he is successful in figuring out a workable solution. Also, just because it is a problem in my eyes, doesn't mean it is necessarily a problem overall. It may simply just be no longer a match for me.

Everyone, continued enjoyment in whatever leagues you play...and remember why you are playing this to begin with.

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I know about the cheating in Auto Leagues but Lack of Civility? I guess I am confused, Auto Leagues don't have Chat Boards so here does a lack of civility come from?

I admit that in a -n Auto League I was in recently where a owner offered me a trade for a player that would fill a huge hole in his defense, the players he offered were fair in value, but at positions I didn't need, so that trade would only have benefitted him, so I declined and said why.

He offered another trade which was basically a variation of the 1st and I rejected that one as well. He sent me an e-mail blasting me for "hoarding the good defenders and hurting his chances of winning"

Isn't that what an owner is supposed to do?? I would rather have a guy on my bench that another team covets than trade him for something I don't need to someone who does.

I guess that's a lack of civility, but I laughed it off

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i haven't seen any of that in auto leagues - and that's all i play. not sure how i would even know with no chat options.

i've made 1 trade offer, which was accepted. i also sent a message to someone asking what they wanted for a player, and their proposal was pretty fair, and i accepted.

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That does seem to be an over blown assessment of auto leagues. So far we’ve been talking about a handful of Favorite Teams leagues out of literally hundreds upon hundreds of Auto Leagues. And cheaters are dealt with when they are brought to my attention. It doesn’t mean people have to play auto leagues... many people like custom leagues better for obvious reasons.

There have been lots of suggestions to reduce bad trades of which I’m mulling over. But the trade issue does not seem wide spread either at this point.

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I've never been in an Auto League with this type of cheating, it is definitely RARE. We just happened to point out two recent cases of obvious. I've never run into it myself in 7 years or so.

There is chat in Auto Leagues now. Not used often though.

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From my perspective the #1 problem in auto leagues right now is that there are too many. They take forever to fill. I make a Fav team with 7 or 8 slots are already filled, and it can still take a few weeks to fill.

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I'm not sure that it's because there are too many Leagues or it's because a lot of owners don't like being one of the last 2 or 3 to join in because the Picking is so slim.

One thing I see that bothers me is that the players being offered are not rated correctly, Defense is not being considered, just rank, I understand that you might draft Hi DWar guys with lower rank and that makes sense, you only get 3) 90+ hitters, but you can get 6 HIGH Dwar guys, and are actually incentivized to do so because the SIM views your team incorrectly, I HAVE seen this a lot-

The SIM should also monitor that - one owner should not get offered Carlos Gomez, Andrelton Simmons, Robinson Cano and Scott Rolen - but I have seen stuff like that a lot - that's just as bad as allowing them 6 90+'s Hitters or Pitchers

Look at this Roster from an Auto League -

https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..
Even though a lot of them are middlin hitters -they are hogging all the top defenders, you have to share the wealth a bit

I drafted 10th or lower and ended up with the 10th Supplemental pick because all the good High Dwar, lower ranked Players were gone - and because the other owners took those under valued players they get rewarded with a High Supplemental Pick when they are already WAY ahead of you.
You can't be competitive like that, it's not realistic.

And look at the 1st Round of the Supplemental, I NEVER had a chance to get even 1 more good Defensive player - they were all gone before I got to pick.

https://www.pennantchase.com/lgSupp..
That's a recipe to lose, and there's nothing you can do about it. This is NOT a **** or Whine, just calling out the inequity of under valuing defense, resulting in unbalanced valuing of Team strength, resulting in bad teams

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I know in those auto leagues, I don't join if there are fewer than 6 spots left. I feel like I am at too ig a disadvantage in the pool available to me.

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when you draft definitely still matters in quick drafts. In this Ruth Era quick draft league there are still 6 teams left to draft and somehow one team has 3 of the 4 players in the entire universe that have 1.200 + OPS. And the top starting pitcher and the top reliever.
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgRost..

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I don't join the quick picks if there are a lot of spots left, because it will take forever to fill.

I also don't join the quick picks if there are few spots left, because it's too much of a disadvantage.



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You are right KRTyler and that simply should NOT happen - I know once in a great while you can get a really sweet draft, but that's ridiculous,

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I play auto leagues all time greats 70s and up. to me the fun of the game is to follow the leagues you are in year after year. and to see how others in your league run there team an see if you can counter them whats great about this game is there is so many ways to set your team up i dont care if i draft 1st or 12th i just want the leagues to restart faster it takes all the fun out of the game waiting for leagues to start

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when i started playing this game there was the same teams in leagues year after year. now players are not even active. because the league has took so long to restart the old players left

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It surely ain't always easy to pick late in a leagues....

I rather go in leagues with later picks now, because I know it will get going shortly...

I came in and drafted 11th in that league + this is a keepers league... there was not much left in offense or pitching in there...

I will surely not win with offense or outstanding pitching..
(My best offensive Players: Holliday and Kent are well below other big guns in there...)

Still fun to dig for players, switch their seasonal stats, etc...

I may not be a powerhouse in there, but I will still be an in your face team that will probably make the playoffs despite a well below average looking lineup...

Once you in the playoffs, well anything can happen...

At one point, we can learn at taking some mediocre talent and try to build a winning team out of it, it can also be a fun challenge.


https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..

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I only play Auto Leagues. I have done most of them at least once but I only really enjoy the ATG or 1970-Present so now just do those. I have never encountered any of these problems in any of these leagues.

The only "problems" I have had have been with the leagues being slow to fill, especially after a season ends. Although, my most recent season that just ended filled the day after the draft! I think all 12 teams actually stayed in the league so it was an awesome turnaround.

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I'm always running a few "12th Man" teams and usually do OK.

https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgTeam..
The ony loser is the 2020 single season team - those are tough to enter last, but I felt like "what the hell" and joined anyway 😎

- The Sheik





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About 2/3 of my auto leagues are stuck in the offseason--several for quite a while. It seems like there are too many leagues and they can't fill.

I usually don't bother joining a league when there are still many spots to fill, figuring it will take months to begin. I usually join a league if it's the last spot or two. Yes, the draft will likely not go my way, but at least I know the league will, you know, actually play. And after a season or so, I'm at no less of a disadvantage.

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I agree with guys saying you can win picking late. I’m still on my quest to win a ring in each type of auto league- my 1980s ring was as 12th pick in a quick draft league with keepers (of course, I had none). That team was built with high dwar guys everywhere but DH and 1B. I used season switches to get overlooked high dWAR.

That said, it’s definitely better to draft early in terms of building a dominant team in quick draft.

I prefer daily draft for my attempts at great teams. Quick drafts are fun challenges to me (can’t plan a team as easy, forced to use players offered), and thus I don’t mind picking late.

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Season switches? You can switch seasons? lol.

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I have never seen it take months to fill an auto from a personal stand point. That may be rare or happen to some more often.

Sheik, you kill me. I think the program sees you name as a player and just gives a stat boost across the board to your team. You could probably win with a lineup of The Sisters of the Poor team left in the pool.

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Keep you paws off Sister Marie James and Sister Mary Aloysius. Got dibbs on them for my team.

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JimGriddy:

Did you really not know about season switching? If not, the world is about to open up.

An example in 80s- Bonds is usually his 1987 version and it is around 45 rank. I switch him to 1989 and he’s 3.5+ dWAR

Hitters are usually set to their best offensive season. So, you can often get better D and speed by switching. You can also improve HR hitters as SLG is barely factored into rank (only through OPS).

Another example in ATG, 70s, or 1970-present: Joe Morgan is usually set to 1976- his best offense season. But 1975 is nearly equal offensively, but he’s 1.99 dWAR, and 9 speed. So 75 is a better season to switch to.

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Same thing with mike schmidt everyone takes his 1980 season but if you take his 77 season its a lot better defensively

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Same with Mark McGwire

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Shhhhhhhhhhhh !!!

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LOL.
I feel like singing the song 'Whole new world"

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Taking nothing away from autos, Guy has built a truly incredible platform here. There's something for everyone if you love baseball, stats, history, fantasy sports management, or any combination of those just mentioned.

I will say though, if you like challenges, matching wits with some really sharp people....You'll never know how solid of an owner you are til you do battle with the Customs giants.

Rings are harder to come by. Great chatter, cool concepts, some great commissioners...But, most of all, the competition is incredibly awesome. Multi-year team building is a blast too. Shout out to all the fierce competitors in both formats sitewide!

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That's why you will never see these colluding clowns in a custom league. How pathetic is it that some people have to "bend " the rules to win a fictitous game. Hopefully they will leave and let the test of us enjoy this site