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Where's Waldo?


Where's Waldo?

I am by no means a baseball historian, but I noticed someone who played for 26 years, is the 8th most winning left-handed pitcher in MLB history, but he's not in the game!!!

Whatever happened to Tommy John???

https://www.baseball-reference.com/..

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He even had a surgery named after him!! ;) He's from Terre Haute, Ind. about an hour and a half from where I grew up - also the home of Indiana State University. I remember him best as a Dodger, of course - he was on 3 losing World series teams in 74, 77,78.

- The Sheik

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I'm old Sheik, I remember him more from the 60's White Sox.

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Every player is in the game. Depends what league you are referring to. He exists though.

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I generally play ATG Quick Draft Keepers.

I'd think someone playing 26 years, 8th in all time wins for lefties, who blew out his arm, had an experimental surgery done that was so successful, it was named after him, would be an incredible player, even legendary to some

Seems kinda like an "All Time Great" to me.
Just sayin..

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I like turtles...

But I'd really love to see Tommy John in the game!!!

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Real stats are based on single seasons so if none of his individual seasons were considered all time great that’s why he wouldn’t be in the player pool.

Consider someone like Joe Horlen from those mid century White Sox. He had a below .500 career record (only by 1 game)

But he has 1 incredible season from 1964 and he’s in the all time great player pool. Because of that. Since the sim uses 1 seasons stats

Tommy John for example only broke 7 h/9 once in his career so his seasons aren’t really usable in that type of league

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Fair enough. That's a perspective I hadn't thought of.
Seems a shame though, to not have legends of the game in there, even if they come out as mediocre in the Rank system.
Cy Young is one good example. He still pitches well in the #5 spot. Put him in the #1 spot and you're in for a disappointing season.

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No Tommy John but there's plenty of pathetic SP's in the game. Why not add him.

As for the 7/h that can be debunked easily.

Blyleven 8.2 rank 13
Noodles Hahn 8.9 rank 6.

Tommy should be in the ATG game.
PLUS
Why not add the pre 1900 players. Some great players on those teams. All it would do is improve the player pool.
Ya, I hear that's why there's a Deadball league, then why is there a Ruthian league and Mid Century league and their players are included?
The name of the game is ALL TIME GREATS after all. Add them all to the game.

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Ok so Tommy John should possibly qualify, are you going to use an 18 Rank starter?

if not this is a fart in a windstorm

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Keep in mind some players in that league like Noodles had better years, but someone changed stats to that worse year so that’s how it appears now. People probably do that on purpose so they can grab them easy and change to better year.

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I guess until we know how a player's longevity figures into their Rank score, it will all remain a mystery.

If it doesn't add into the formula, perhaps it should?

I'm in agreement on the other eras being thrown into the ATG player pool.
It would be very interesting to see a true small ball team from back in the early days of baseball, take on a modern team, for one example.

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Longevity contributes nothing to Rank.

Rank is based solely on any players either batting or pitching stats compared to the player pool they are in, for the seasons the league uses, such as "Best of the 1990's

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That's my point! You'd think longevity would somehow be figured out.
Obviously a player must be better than the numbers reveal for them to play 26 years.

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While longevity must mean they provided value to their teams a Guy Like Denny Hocking played for 13 years
and never was a full time player Career -.251 BA - .310 OBP - .655 OPS
25 HR - 36 SB

Played EVERY Infield and Outfield Position, plus would DH once in a while, He certainly has Longevity, especially since 11 of those 13 years were with the Twins, but in the long run he's J.A.G. - I have never seen him in any PC leagues, and being that the vast majority of PC Leagues feature " Best of Players" its not unusual, I can tell you that he had value for the Twins and in fact the fans loved him.

Longevity means squat

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Denny Hocking. Could and would do whatever was neefed. My favorite growing up in KC was Jaime Quirk. 18 years in the majors.