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Waivers is live, need Auto League input


Waivers is live, need Auto League input

Waivers is available in custom leagues, but would love to hear some thoughts about my proposed Auto League implementation:

-Teams will draft 23 players like they do today
-Once a league starts, teams can create waiver claims (instead of ranking players for the supplemental draft as they do today).
-Nothing would happen after the first game, but after the second game, teams would be able to add one player via waivers after each game of the season. This would give every team 16 hours to rank players for the first round of waivers, but even if you miss the first round, you're only missing out on one player instead of three, as is the case today with the Supplemental Draft.
-Waiver order would be determined by team strength for the first -10 days of the season, and then be based on standings for the remainder of the season.
-Drops would be turned on after the second round of waivers (after Day 3). At that point most teams would have 25 players. The two minor league spots would also become available.
-Free Agency would turn off during the playoffs, same as it does today.

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Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

I like the waiver process better because when you do the supplemental draft you only know who you get all at once (all 3). With waivers if you get a certain position (or player) you want in the 1st round of waivers, you might decide to pick someone different in the 2nd round instead of what was on your supplemental draft list.

I'd like to see reverse order after the 1st round of waivers (snake, same style as daily drafts) for the first 5 rounds (once you have a complete roster).

We would still have 25 out of 25 in majors and 3 out of 3 in minors?

I have another input: maybe increase the salary cap 2 or 3 dollars from 50 to 52 or 53.

Note: Over half of my auto leagues are waiting to be filled. One of my leagues on the Join Leagues list has been stuck on 9 for weeks.

And as always, thanks for all you do.

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Making it imperative to rank after the first game is pretty rough...

More often than none I catch the supp draft ranking after the second game... despite login in quite often, every 24hrs.... after work it is pretty much the free time I have to log in....

I just apprehend myself missing it systematically with this new adjustment... I don' t see myself taking time off from work so I don' t miss the supp draft rankings...

I surely don't have time to have my sleep, wake up in the morning, and having to log in the morning so I don't miss the waivers instead of having breakfast... before going to work in the morning... just a non sense to me to have to log in in a shorter gap than 24hours....

loging in every 24 hrs is my limit and pretty much the one for anybody who is on a regulark work schedule...

missing the first round is quite not a viable option for me, since this is pretty much a game changing player you will be missing in the lineup...

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Good feedback.

I agree the 16 hour window is rough. I think what people dislike about the current system is having to wait three days until they get to use any new players. If we start waivers at Game 3, now you would not have all of your three new players until after Game 6.

It *might* be possible to open the waiver rank earlier, but the issue there is you would be ranking many players who would likely get drafted before all teams are done, so it's a lot of wasted work.

Another option is to opt into a "give me the best player available" auto pick. People tend to dislike that because it rewards inactivity.

Yet another option is to delay the start of the first game of the season by a few hours to extend the time you have to rank.

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I agree that the window needs to be *at least* 24 hours. Frustrating to wait weeks for a league to fill, then it's already on Game 5 because it filled late Saturday night and I was away on Sunday.

Overall, I love the idea of the waiver system. It eliminates the Free Agent frenzy that makes or breaks some seasons.

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5/10 super Announcements 3 0
"I agree that the window needs to be *at least* 24 hours. Frustrating to wait weeks for a league to fill, then it's already on Game 5 because it filled late Saturday night and I was away on Sunday."

I echo this sentiment 100 percent.

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This is good to know - my take has always been with people waiting so long they want those games to get rolling, but I guess if you've waited nine months for a league to start, what's another 24 hours if it allows you to rank players...

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

This sounds like a better system. I am hoping this will allow only 1 new player per game all season. also drop only 1 player per day once you get to 25 players.

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Waivers is a great solution for Auto Leagues.

I definitely would like to see the first round of waivers pushed to happen after the Third game instead of the Second.

Missing the first round of waivers means missing one player, but that one player is definitely going to be one of the best Free Agents, and likely one of the best players in the entire player pool.

I'd rather roll for the opening three games without any added Free Agents than roll for the final 159 without the top Free Agent I missed out on due to missing the first round of waivers.

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5/10 jamin Announcements 1 0
I love that you're still improving the game!!! My personal vote is that this new waiver system is more fair than the day 6 free for all, especially for those owners who aren't that active and login after the best day six free agents are gone. So it sounds like a good idea to me :)

I noted that some people worry about being busy and about being able to check in every day..... I did want to mention to them that you can set up notifications so you get a text to your phone when one of your leagues gets to an important milestone (like the league is starting, the supplemental draft is completed, the day 6 drops are starting, etc). This really helps me a lot cause I love the game, but my non-virtual life keeps me busy too!!!

MIchael

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So right now, the season starts within 8 hours of everyone drafting - if that was pushed to something like 16 or 24 hours, that would mean if waivers started after Game 2, you'd have 32 hours on the high end to rank for the first round. That's actually more than you have today for the three Supp picks. Sounds like this is the desired state...

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

I feel like waivers could be interesting, but, I think having the supplemental draft is still needed. Say you are a new owner joining an established league, and you are the last team to draft. More often then not your team ends up being the weakest team to draft. Having the supplemental draft gives you a guarantee of getting a player to help you as opposed to waivers, as I feel waivers is more of a crapshoot because you have to be on AND rank every 8 hours the way it is sounding, and like it was said earlier, if a league starts on a late Saturday Night, it can penalize someone who may not have the chance to get on and rank, especially if it's someone on the West Coast, as I'm sorry, but it the League starts at say 10 PM Saturday Night, I'm not going to wake up at 5 AM just to rank a player. If it's tweaked our right, sounds like it has potential, but I think there's a lot of things that need to be done with it, and for now the supplemental drafts seem better, at least to me they do

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

too much work keep it the same now I have to go in several times instead of one time now

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

Sounds like a great idea!!!

When does this kick in for Auto Leagues?

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To ease some concerns, you would not have to log in multiple times. You could create 36 waiver claims at once if you wanted and you’d be fine. You’d get three players without having to revisit the site. But for those who want more control over those three players you would have that opportunity as well.

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5/10 tbush Announcements 0 0
I like the supplemental draft the way it is. Once I see the games have started I go in and rank the players according to what I think I need, and then wait for the draft to take place to see who I get. It gives everyone ample time (24 hours) to rank their players for the draft.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is after the supplemental draft start the waiver system so the free agents that were not drafted would then have to go through the waiver wire instead of a free-for-all on the free agents. This would allow the teams to fill there roster with the 25 players through the supplemental draft. Then the players left would be distributed based on the waiver claims put in.

It also seems like having a waiver wire system each day (every 8 hours) is a little much. I'm guessing it all depends if you want to sign a player out of free agency, then you would put in the claim to sign them.

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

I like the supplemental draft as it is now, but think a waiver wire after that is a great idea. I can remember some leagues I have been, after day 6, one team would be able to make 5-6 moves before anyone else.

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To those saying you want to keep the Supplemental Draft as it is, the Waiver system is the Supplemental Draft, it's just spread out so you get one Free Agent after each game instead of three Free Agents after Game 3.

The WM has said 36 players can be ranked at once, so each Owner who ranks Free Agents will get one Free Agent added to his/her roster after every game is simmed (starting after Game 2) instead of three Free Agents after Game 3. AND, the Free Agent free-for-all after Game 6 sims is eliminated.

The Waiver system works like this, for every Owner who Ranks Free Agents [FA]:
After Game 2: A first FA added to roster.
After Game 3: A second FA added to roster.
Drops turned on.
After Game 4: A third FA added to roster.
After Game 5: A fourth FA added to roster.
After Game 6: A fifth FA added to roster.
After Game 7: A sixth FA added to roster (if any player was dropped).
After Game 8: A seventh FA added to roster (if any player was dropped).
After Game 9: An eighth FA added to roster (if any player was dropped).
And so on.

All we have to do is draft and Rank Free Agents.

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Starting the first game later -- 24 hours after the final team drafts -- is definitely the best way to go.

Waivers starting after Game 2 gives all a chance to get in and rank players... as long as there is a definite bat signal sent up to say that the league is full and games will start in 24 hours. As it is now, even checking My League List multiple times a day, I never know a league's season has started until after the 1st game is simmed because that's when the "Next Sim Available" icon shows up. Hopefully, the "Next Sim Available" shows up immediately after the league fills, BEFORE Game 1, to signal the season is about to start.

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

Timothy's post is exactly how I feel about all this------------------------------- I like the supplemental draft the way it is. Once I see the games have started I go in and rank the players according to what I think I need, and then wait for the draft to take place to see who I get. It gives everyone ample time (24 hours) to rank their players for the draft.

What I wouldn't mind seeing is after the supplemental draft start the waiver system so the free agents that were not drafted would then have to go through the waiver wire instead of a free-for-all on the free agents. This would allow the teams to fill there roster with the 25 players through the supplemental draft. Then the players left would be distributed based on the waiver claims put in.

It also seems like having a waiver wire system each day (every 8 hours) is a little much. I'm guessing it all depends if you want to sign a player out of free agency, then you would put in the claim to sign them.

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I'm okay with the waiver process. Let's try something new!

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I just don't understand much on how the waiver system would work beyond the initial 3 waivers draft...


Beyond these,
The waiver system looks good on paper... but should not apply on free agents...

A waiver claim system should only apply on players being dropped...

If ever users can block a waiver claim on the free agents,

1) It will just open the door, to users creating chaos and systematically block any claims... (this will surely happens if the door is open to block claims) after all auto leagues are a niece and peacefull place to play without other users getting under your skin, and it should be left that way.

2) A user can then end up never being able to fill is bench because of eternal blocks on is claims

3) If a user spots a player that wen't under the radar in free agency, I don't see why is awarenesss should be stolen by. somebody who will be rewarded by stealing someone elses idea...

4) When dropping a player to replace him, it is with a strategic plan. It's to replace him by better or for a specific position, or skills needed such as speed , defense, long relief, pinch hitting need. Dropping players blind without knowing who it will be replace by is just bingo and a complete lost of strategic purposes...

Obviously the free agent buffet needs to be levelled.

How about

Expanding the minor leagues to 10 players, and have a free agent waiver mega draft at game 7. It would give everybody an even chance at the free agent buffet, plenty to chew on, and a good twist on what suprise you get out of that draft...

After that, free agents should just be left wide open with bits and pieces that remains...

If the players pool are not big enough, there are a lot of players not appearing in leagues players pool in each era that can be assets... Mark McGwire 2000's season comes to mind, as it would prety much be the only one challenging Barry Bonds for the mvp title in there...

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

If your looking for honesty , here is mine :

I hate it. All that is being done is just making things harder , more time consuming and it won't change the results.

I would much rather see time and changes being spent on ideas that will make the game better, not just things to cause more busy work for the owners.

Just my opinion, not worth much

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

I think the last two posts are in visioning something that’s not going to be the case.

For one, the supp draft and the day 6 free for all have been among the most complained about aspects of the site. I don’t have time to do things I want to do, I only have time to do things the data says people want. Now maybe the angst over those things has diminished with the arrival of the daily draft and the changes to the auto draft, but I think the angst is still there based on comments I get.

The time commitment is really no different. If you don’t want to tweak each round, just create enough waiver claims for three rounds, it would work just like the supp draft for you, but others who want more control would have that option.

Sure someone might put a claim in for the same player, but mid-season that would be highly unlikely. I think one pain would be that if waivers remained on all season, you’d have to create a claim and then return to the site to add the player to your lineup or rotation, whereas currently you can grab the player and set your lineup immediately. To that end, there’s probably a logical point at which it doesn’t make sense to have waivers be turned on ALL season.

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So, what if you did this:

One player waiver pick up per team per game played for the first 5 waiver pickups (would be equal to the number of pickups we currently have with the supplemental draft and the two extra players now).

I still would like a snake draft style for the first 5 picks.

Then after the 5 pickups, do unlimited waiver pickups per day (no snake style) to the end of the regular season. Some days there might be multiple rounds of pickups, especially early in the season.

Owners that don't want the "hassle" of waiver work, can just rank 60 players initially and be done with it.

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

As usual, people freaking out about nothing.

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Pretty much. "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome"

- The Sheik

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So, regardless of the decision, sounds like a delay to Auto Leagues starting is needed (always drove me a little crazy in Daily Drafts too that games would start after the draft was done without much warning...)

I'm going to test the 24-hour start and make sure that's working over the next few days before making any introductions of the waiver process.

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How would you " Block Waiver Claim"?? If a guy is made available there should be a time frame whereby all owners can, if they want to, put in a claim on that player, at the end of a pre-determined time, the lowest claimer get's the player. And I agree, this ONLY applies to either 1) Dropped players or MOST importantly ADDED Players - Last year I had an ATG team ROLLING along and all of a sudden, mid-season the guys from 2018 were added to the Pool and another team got them all- Whoever said " it won't make a difference" was not thinking about that.



In order for it to work you have to select a player to claim and player to drop ( if you have no open spot) You can't BLOCK someone.

My question would be " How often are waivers redone? if you have the #1 claim and use it, you should drop to the bottom - but for how long?

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The Waiver Wire system must not have yet been implemented in Auto Leagues because the Auto League just joined ran the typical three rounds after Game 3.

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

Correct not yet. I was making sure my fix to move Game 1 to 24 hours after league drafted was working first.

Re: Waivers is live, need Auto League i

i think it would be nice to have some leagues with the new waiver system and some without thin people can try it out and see if they like it and thin join the league type they like

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The 24 hour thingy is working great.