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The waiver system for the main supplemental draft is ok but the making a claim for free agents after it just rewards people who don't care to be active. Now I have to wait to claim free agents instead of being diligent enough to be online once the draft is over. I really don't like that aspect of the game. If you don't have the ability to be as active you as a player has to accept that other players might have a competitive advantage in that area of the game. That part of the game is really not good in my opinion.

One other thing is now the process is too laborious. You have to run waivers for up to game 10? I have been rather busy with work the last couple of days and I missed a supplemental draft so I got no players in the 3 rounds. Now I can only get 1 player per game instead of immediately being able to draft 3 players. So missing the draft means for the next couple of days my team will be further penalized because we will have fewer players than other teams. And after every game I will have to come back and modify my lineups for each player I pick up. That is way more work than before and honestly this aspect of the waiver system is really bad.

My advice would be if you want to do the re ranking after each round of the supplemental that is a great idea. This waiver system and waiting 10 days and getting one player a game and having to check back after every game and then modify your lineups is onerous and burdensome.

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This is a brave new world, so all feedback is welcome... But, if you were active - as you're saying you want active players to benefit, then you would have ranked players for the Supplemental Draft and wouldn't be in this situation. For anyone who didn't rank players for the draft, why should it be a race to the keyboard and a matter of timing to grab all the remaining free agents? That's been one of the #1 complaints about the quick draft auto leagues.

You're basically saying help me out here for being too busy to get any players for the Supplemental Draft, but screw all those people who are too busy to get to the keyboard to beat me to the free agent list. In other words, help me out for being inactive, but then don't help others in the same boat at a later time.

The problem with allowing more than one round per waiver cycle is that those who do miss that 8 hour window would get hosed.

The Supplemental Draft has been split into two rounds now, and the first round starts 8 hours later than it did before, so you have a full 32 hours to rank players, where as before you only had 24. And if you miss Round 1, you have an additional 8 hours (or 40 hours total) to rank for Round 2. So now everyone has 40 hours to take some part in the Supp Draft. That's almost double what it was before.

As for waivers lasting 10 days, that can easily be reduced, although honestly after about Day 6, I can't see there being many valuable players.

I do think you are raising a fair issue for anyone who misses the draft and used to be able to jump on and scoop up three players. But it’s going to be hard to solve for that and eliminate the free-for-all that used to happen when free agency opened.

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What I expected happened...

I ranked my players yesterday night, for the supp draft...
only have 1 league I notice I had to do my supp draft rankings... (I didn't even know that the new system was in place now...)

come back in today to log in as usual,, less than 24 hours... supp draft wen't on. in 3 of my leagues without notice, and I didn't got any players selected in these crucial first rounds...

what the hell happened?????

Can't even grab some leftovers to compensate.. I have to go through the waiting line...

Only catch 1 out of 4 suppdraft, just waisting time waiting for these leagues to fill for months,.some leagues are to their 4th or 5th day already...

the waiver claim system looks fun, but catching that crucial supp draft heads up notice is a mystery to me...

how can we see that we need to rank players out of our my league list screen before supp draft happens????

help please...

this situation is completely frustrating....

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So Patrick you did not get the emails informing of the season starting?

For those who are having issues getting emails, and those who don't want texts, I think it's an interesting idea to put some kind of notification to rank players for the draft on the MLL.

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I figured this awnser was coming...

I am using a secondary email here, . s o I am just looking at this email once in a while...

I am not hook to my emails anyway...


Is there any other practical way I can see a notice????

as I am now scrolling and opening every single leagues with games at 0, quite painfully, to see how many owners have now joined, it seems like the only way out of this situation....

luckily catch one that I have to rank....

in auto league 217, we are in day 5, with only 2 supp draft rounds appearing + it seems like there was 1 phantom round that happened, since I got an additional solid player in my roster Derek Lowe, and it isn't noted anywhere...
+ I am wondering where have all the people complaining about the free agent buffet are, since only 3 free agents claim where done up to now...

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Patrick I will get something added to the MLL that indicates leagues in the draft ranking stage. I suspect the vast majority of people are not on the site as much and rely on email and text.

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On my league list I now get a yellow banner next to my team which says rank now. Very convenient in my opinion and really good solution by Guy

I still say some of the people who complain about the free agency free for all are just guys who want to be casual players and are looking for an excuse as to why they are not as successful. In all my leagues there have been very few players putting in waiver claims. I have not lost a waiver claim yet and I have been generally in 8-12 range on the claim list.

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Saw it too, the yellow notice is a great addition, this will do the trick.

I guess it is still or even more of an all you can eat in supp draft and free agency as of now....

4 new leagues very few waiver claims..., and a lot of missing participants in the supp drafts... only 6, 7,7&8... out of 12 drafted respectively in the 4 leagues I had those new draft. It is still early to call for a tendency.

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Thanks guys, good suggestions all around lead to a better site.

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Waiver Claims. I do not like it. I will be playing less than before. Maybe stop playing.

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Because of the waiver claims, i have had several problems the players here have talked about. I love the way it was before this waiver sh**. And i was until this waiver sh** a player who was very very active. Now i have quit all my leagues that have not started back since ending the season. It is much more difficult now than it was before. I dont like it at all. It just sucked the wind out of this game for me. I loved this game before this update. Now i can not recommend it anymore.

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I am probably missing something and if I am, forgive me. How is the waiver wire different from the supplemental draft?

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@nyt it’s not really different but after the supplemental draft you can’t just grab a bunch of players at once. Nor is there the day 6 drop and add first-come-first-serve buffet.

I need to understand what the frustration truly is. It’s not like there are highly valuable players once the supplemental draft is over, so I’m not quite getting the angst. In my latest league 8 teams made a claim on the first day - that is far more fair than one person getting three of those 8 players, or 6 of those 8 going to only two teams... not to mention on day 6 one team getting as many players as they want.

If the angst is related to missing the supplemental draft entirely then I need to understand that. I'm just not sure I'm getting why it's become so bad for people.

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Gotcha, thanks for the explanation Guy

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there are so many things in this game i dont understand, and when i first saw waiver claim or whatever it was very confusing. i dont really understand what waivers are or any of that. i picked one player and got him, but i didnt know i could pick more. i am not complaining, cuz like i said i dont understand most of this lol

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Supp draft just works as it was before... just have to rank it before season starts...
I miss 3 or 4 of them, Guy made a quick adjustments to make sure people gets notify through the league list... and it work just fine...

As for waiver claims, almost the same system, except you can't jump on everything all at once.

You claim and earn the player in the next game.... just a very simple adjustment that gives a chance to everybody.

From what I see up to now...this system will still reward the active owners, since very few owners are putting claims on players, you have a lot to chew on once the supp draft is over and if you are active, you will simply still get an edge, and you won't get all the players spiked before you have a chance to log in, so it should help you more than harm you...

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What if waivers only ran after every third game (24 hours in real life)? That seems a lot more reasonable than checking in every 8 hours. (Sorry if this was already addressed and I missed it.)

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@kds Well, the Supp Draft has a 32 hour window now, and it's broken into two days, so Round 1 has a 32 hour window and then 8 hours later are Rounds 2 and 3 (so now active owners can adjust their rankings based on who they landed if desired). After all that, waivers starts. True, the first round of waivers is only an 8 hour window. I could see any argument for extending it, but that might serve to only further frustrate those who are complaining, because they want to be able to start taking action after the Supp Draft as they did before. One legit idea might be to stall the first waiver round. But frankly, I'd rather get the additional players sooner rather than wait, even if it meant I might sometimes miss the first round of waivers.

Basically here's the trade-off:

What's Bad: I now have to be more committed to my team and coming to the website. If I want that additional back-end RP or SP after the Supp Draft, I have to create waiver claims, then come back and insert the first claim into my rotation, validate my waiver claims for round 2, and come back again to insert the next new player in my lineup.

What's Good: I actually get some decent players. I am not "beat to the punch" by someone who happened to be online before me. Usually when day 6 hits, I never add any players because I'm never there early enough to get anyone worth adding.

This still rewards active owners, but it gives ALL active owners a shot at getting some players. It also means if you missed the Supp Draft, you are doubly punished because now you have to go through the waiver process and you can't just scoop up three players. But I would think active players on this site would think that's a good thing.

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You are just making the game more difficult than it needs to be. Doing what you just said with 40 teams would be a nightmare. You have to keep making list of players over and over and over again. The old way you make one list get your 3 players and then you are ready to go. And you can add a player or 2 in FA. But if you are trying to get more people to come back to the site more often that is one thing. As it was before i loved this game. Was at the site several times a day adjusting my lineup, scouting other players and learning from the great players on this site on how to play by watching them. The way it is now you spend way to much time making list of players. It now has become a chore and not fun. That is why i quit 25 of my leagues. I have about 10 to 15 left now. Why did you think you had to fix something that was not broken? To me this game is now not fun like it use to be. It is very disappointing. Maybe i am in the minority . Maybe take a survey on this. I guess if this stays the same i will just go somewhere else to play. I do wish you well however. And i do commend you for trying to make the game better.

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@Lester, do you have any suggestions that could help gbacci figure out what to do to get everyone happy? Please go with reason, not volume. Personally I think this is a great update and will improve the game a lot! What I thought was already perfect, has gotten even better! Thank you for all of your hard work, gbacci!

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Lester, there WAS a survey, and one of the biggest complaints was the FA free for all. Have not done the new system but fail to see how it’s worse. If the list doesn’t clear after each round, then can’t you just do the same big one time list and just see who you get after the 3 rounds end. Isn’t that same as getting the 3 in the supp in one shot? Meanwhile it helps those who can’t be online the minute things happen, because people work, school, and sleep. The only downside I can see is if the list kept clearing after each round, so you have to re-rank, but I assume it doesn’t.

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His post was full of reason.

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What, that he thinks that the game is not any fun anymore? I don't think that counts as reason. He was complaining more than trying to help gbacci figure this out the rest of the way!

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He was referring to the labor-intensive nature of it. However, the waiver system has to be counted as better. It's unfair to require people to jump on right at the beginning of f.a.--it's what one might call and undo burden, particularly considering the varied time zones. It can happen while one is asleep!

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I guess i am in the minority then. If everybody else likes it and i do not i guess that is how it goes. I guess i didn't realize so many people did not like it the way it was. I was just trying to be honest.

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Lester I always appreciate honesty even if it is hard to hear sometimes. I would argue the change regarding the Supplemental Draft is not much different than before... you can still rank a bunch of players and get your three players at the end of the supp drafts. It’s just been split into two cycles but the rankings don’t clear. After that, you could make a waiver list a mile long and just wait for the system to claim as many players as you want.

I totally get that when you’re running 40 teams it’s easier to just go there and grab players. It’s possible we only need waivers for a few games and not all the way to Game 10. I’m open to tweaking as the data rolls in. One thing I try to emphasize is that I only make the changes a lot of people are asking for. I don’t have time to waste on fixing what isn’t broken. It’s been frustrating to a lot of people that they lose out on all good players as soon as free agency opens.

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The new yellow-highlighted warning on "My League List" to "Rank Now!" is very useful and effective.


The Waiver System is an order of magnitude better than the former way of rounding out rosters.

I'm ranking players now for the Supplemental Draft(s) of a "Ruthian Era" League, which covers around 20 seasons of players. I'm picking first, and I'm still having trouble figuring out the order for my list of players. Having the option to re-rank after each Supplemental round is a far, far better way to run the Supplementals than having to figure out which players may go #15 - #20, which would be the ones before my third round pick. I still am going to try and figure out the long list in case I can't re-adjust between rounds, but it cramps my brain. Knowing I have the option of re-ordering my list between rounds is so much better than 3-rounds-at-once that any complaints about the new Supplemental system are shortsighted and, from all angles, an odd take. The old way is still possible, but the option to re-rank between rounds is new and very useful.

The Waiver system, too, is so much better than the Free Agency free-for-all. There, frankly, should not be too many impact players available after the Supplementals. But, if there are, knowing that only one Free Agent can go to a team each day instead of a gaggle going to two or three teams because they got to the free-for-all first... the new way is so obviously better and fairer that any argument against the new system is like trying to opine that flapping arms like a bird is a better method of air travel than riding on an airplane.

If anyone is actually able to pick up useful Free Agents after the first day of Waivers, then the league is full of owners who drafted terribly and owners who no showed in the Supplementals. There should be more "work" involved to Waiver claim those Free Agents because you're competing against no-show or incompetent or lazy, and any trophy won against those adversaries should have required more "work."

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Just had a League I have been waiting a while to fill, Fill, the yellow Draft Now light on the "My Leagues Page" It is VERY helpful. cause now I know to put in picks for the 1st round FA draft, and its a fantastic add, thanks Guy.

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@SCM thank you. @Raging, special thanks to you for articulating so well the benefits of the change.

I realize everyone loves PC for different reasons, and some people love it as a site where they can easily run many, many teams at once. I realize this change has made that slightly harder. I don't know what to say other than the site can't be everything to everyone. I really do appreciate feedback because when and where possible, I want to the make site work for as many people as possible. Ironically, with this feature, I shoot myself in the foot by losing potential donors who want to run many teams, but at some point I have to make strategic decisions for the long-term benefit of the site.

I've learned over time that every major change is going to result in some people being disgruntled and leaving the site. It has happened with every new feature and every new redesign. And yet, over time, those changes have not only been critical to the long-term success of the site, but they have allowed the site to keep up with advancing consumer expectations. Imagine if I had simply never redesigned the website - the modern web visitor would laugh and leave immediately.

New players who come to the site are going to see the waiver system as the norm and probably never question it. If there are complaints over time, I will definitely listen and adjust.

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A BIG thumbs up !!

- The Sheik

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I agree with everything except that with all the disgruntled people, I can honestly say I have never heard of one gruntled person.

The oddities of the English language....

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LOL

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Yes, a big thumbs-up overall to Guy for creating the site and always looking to improve. In general, I'm a big fan of the Waiver system over the FA free-for-all. It does require some more attention by the owners, since you need to adjust your roster after every acquisition, but that should benefit active owners, while still keeping things more equitable.

Question: I've just started fooling around with waivers in my Sandbox league. Is there a way to NOT have waivers run after EVERY game? E.G. Can it be set to run after every 3rd game, or 5th game, or whatever? Or just that it is run manually by the Commish? (I know that the Commish can run the waivers manually, but that's only in addition to the every game auto-running of the waivers.)

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You don't actually HAVE to adjust anything after a waiver acquisition. The player is added to your roster. That's that. Most of the players added wouldn't go right into the line-up.

The only part of the Waiver process that I would like to be streamlined is the adding of players to the list. Currently, it's a several page, several click process for every player. I'd love to see more javascript pop-ups integrated into the process of adding players to the wire so there is less page switching. The javascript pop-ups save much time in other areas of the site.

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It is very hard to make it for the first round of Waivers...
Would extending the list from the support draft into the waivers be possible.

So unclaimed listed players in the supp draft transfers into the waiver claim list automatically?

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Great idea. Supp draft should copy now into Waivers after the final draft runs.

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I like the new waiver format, quick question.
for the waivers it shows the ranking of where your team stands, does it adjust before the waiver claims are made after that days game is played? Example, I see my team is listed 3rd for waivers I selected 3 players to make sure I get a player, but if my team wins that day they may fall to 5th, so if the waivers occur after the new shift in rankings I risk not getting a player, if the 3 players I selected are taken. so if the rankings shift prior to the waivers I need to select 6 or so players just in case.
thanks for improving the game and making a fairer process

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I like the new Waiver Claim system - but....... I would rank by team strength instead of team record. Really bad teams can have a good start and get penalized by being ranked low. Just my 2 cents.

- The Sheik

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I agree with the Sheik, it should be team strength based not record- you can start 5-0 and a month later be 8-29... I know, it happened to me!

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I think the waiver system by record is good. If the computer thinks you have the best team, you will pick 12th in all rounds of the supplemental draft.

This may have been said before, but I would like the waivers to end after 6 games to coincide when trades are available to be made.

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It is by record, for the reason the last poster stated - the worst team as assessed by the CPU already got a huge advantage in the Supp Draft. If you then start 0-3, you at least deserve first crack at waivers. :) But it's true, a bad start does not always mean a bad team. But it's hard to know that early in the season who the bad teams are.

So yes, rank more players to be safe...

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All in all, I have no complaints about the waiver system. I missed a waiver round on a team and missed a player I sorely needed, but that was my own dumb ass fault.. lol!

Guy, you continue to impress. Thank you!