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Streaks are an Issue
Streaks are an Issue
I don’t know what has happened, but teams have become streaky in this game. It is an issue in my opinion. I just had a dominating team with 109 Wins lose in the playoffs to an 80 Win team. I won the first 2 games, and they pulled off a 4 game winning streak to win the series. It is a bummer to have such a good team get knocked out by a team caught in some winning loop.
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@paul21 knowing which league this is would help. especially since you're in exclusively custom leagues, which are all set up a little different. Streaks vs. losing to an underdog are potentially two very different issues, as a four-game streak isn't that long of a streak.
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You mean mediocre teams like the Rangers and Diamondbacks having "streaks" and making it to the '23 World Series ? Yeah, that never happens in "Real Life" 😉😉😉
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The way these streaks seem to be going - they perhaps would have kept winning beyond the four games. This is not always happening. But more than it used to.
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This particular example is from the league:
Champions League (Season 7)
These playoffs happen to be loaded with streaks.
Angels 4 game streak over the massively favored Cubs.
Cardinals down 3 games. Come back to streak 4 over the heavily favored Yankees.
Colt 45's just won 4 straight.
Champions League (Season 7)
These playoffs happen to be loaded with streaks.
Angels 4 game streak over the massively favored Cubs.
Cardinals down 3 games. Come back to streak 4 over the heavily favored Yankees.
Colt 45's just won 4 straight.
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https://www.pennantchase.com/baseba..
238 IP for the season total 3 WP
Game 3 of a season above
HUH??
Me thinks Greg got Swindled....
238 IP for the season total 3 WP
Game 3 of a season above
HUH??
Me thinks Greg got Swindled....
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I don't recall if WP are impacted by being tired. I will have to check and refresh my memory.
Back to the original topic, I'll scan that league out of curiosity... this is a hard one to pin down as an issue without looking at some data - I just had a custom league wrap up and the post-season was epic with back and forth battles through nearly every series. Lots of things *can* happen.
Back to the original topic, I'll scan that league out of curiosity... this is a hard one to pin down as an issue without looking at some data - I just had a custom league wrap up and the post-season was epic with back and forth battles through nearly every series. Lots of things *can* happen.
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I think the real-life Tigers and Guardians are laughing at this thread right about now...
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Ok, that's an interesting league in general - there is no usage of rank, but there is on fire, which I do find a little strange - if the aim was to remove the random stuff, on fire seems almost more important to do away with than rank... yes the playoffs were streaky (after first round), but a #1 and #2 reached the world series, so definitely not a shocking finals matchup.
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I've been swept after winning 120 games and I've won a ring with an 83-79 team going 12-1 in the playoffs , it happens. Other than injuries /rest or slump busters , what happened previously has no bearing on the sim .
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Yes it does happen. As it should. My point is that it happens more than it used to. It does seem like the previous game does have an effect. Like some sort of a (percentage fire boost) is randomly built in.
Perhaps the leagues I am in are just evolving to larger separations in the quality (PC Power) of teams. I don’t know, I’m just seeing it often.
Perhaps the leagues I am in are just evolving to larger separations in the quality (PC Power) of teams. I don’t know, I’m just seeing it often.
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You’re either on to something, or you’re on something. I’m guessing it’s just the law of averages that with this many leagues going, there’s going to be lots of weirdness happening, and you just happen to be in the midst of a weird string of streaks. As someone else has said, look at MLB right now with the Tigers losing every day, Cleveland winning every day, and the Jays on a massive slide too. It happens.
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Think of it this way , if you win 4 out of every 7 during the reg season you win 92-94 games. If you win 3 out of every 7 you win 69-71 , so a playoff team with 82-90 wins winning 4 st vs a 100 plus team is not that far out of the realm of possibility. I have to admit , I didn't see Mariners going on the streak they are on , must be the season of the etsy witch lol !!
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I've long thought that there's unintended correlation in the random generation, leading to streaks and other unusual things. My Angels in the recent BOTB season lost 10 in a row, then, with me doing nothing differently, immediately went on a 21-1 run (including 13 in a row). That's never happened in MLB history (a team having a losing streak of 10 or more, then an immediate winning streak of 10 or more). If anything, these things should be less likely here, with no built-in "momentum" across games.
It's also, in my view, more common than expected that injuries come in bunches. I often get the same player injured twice in a row, with each injury lasting an identical number of games.
It's also, in my view, more common than expected that injuries come in bunches. I often get the same player injured twice in a row, with each injury lasting an identical number of games.
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seems like my teams across different leagues all have their streaks at the same time!! both winning and losing. i am sure it is just a coincidence or my imagination!! the last few weeks of mlb season have been a wild ride for sure, stunning collapse by detroit and crazy streaks by cleveland and seattle
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I'm in both bob leagues and in the 01-24 league my St Louis team had a 15 game winning streak at the early part of the season and had a big lead for first. Then at the end of the season i lost a crap ton of games and missed the playoffs by 2 games. Like I said , it happens all the time .
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I suppose it could be related to the "right" player(s) going in and out of SlumpBuster, but starting hot and then fading down the stretch is consistent with that. I looked at the Cardinals team mentioned in our BOTB league. Its longest losing streak was 5 games and wasn't consecutive with the 15-game winning streak. I think the bigger concern for me is not just the same player getting injured consecutively but for the same number of games.
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I agree with the quirk that the same player seems to get injured over and over again. I see it a lot.
In one league I have C Randy Hundley and in the season Im using he played 152 of 154 games. In 4 seasons of the league, hes been hurt each season at least twice, one season 3 times!
In one league I have C Randy Hundley and in the season Im using he played 152 of 154 games. In 4 seasons of the league, hes been hurt each season at least twice, one season 3 times!
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@Dodger1973 , must be the name hundley!! i have todd hundley and he has been injured 4 times for 5 games each time!!
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@Dodger1973 @rlapierre I'd be curious to check out the specific leagues. If Hundley played 152 of 154, His EN should be over 80. That would at the very least dramatically reduce his injury odds, which would make getting injured 4 or 5 times a season in the super unlikely range. I don't doubt people do experience this, because it seems to come up a lot, but I personally have never seen anyone on my teams (baseball specifically) get overly injured. Maybe one guy will have an unlucky season and hit the IL 2-3 times, but that feels rare.
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@gbacci 1964 Merlin League, DukeBlues commissioner
Not sure of the league number.
However I was a bit off. Randy Hundley played 152 of 161 games for the Cubs in 1967. His EN is listed as 18.
Not sure how much that changes the likelihood of him getting injured as often as he has.
Not sure of the league number.
However I was a bit off. Randy Hundley played 152 of 161 games for the Cubs in 1967. His EN is listed as 18.
Not sure how much that changes the likelihood of him getting injured as often as he has.
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Ah so two different Hundleys. The 2000 one only played 90 games so that’s not entirely surprising. The one with EN of 18, it would seem problematic for him to get injured many times a season. I’ll have to think about instituting a guard against missing more days than the real-life stats show. This is probably one of those things that feels like it happens more than it actually does because it’s irritating and memorable when it happens, but it should be something not too difficult to guard against.
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@gbacci , it is not really a big deal, i just thought it was kind of funny that the same guy 4x for 5 games each time. but to the point of games played, i have had several guys with less than 300 ab's post huge numbers and be injury free, just found it quite random
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@rlapierre So your experience also is not only that it's the game guy, but the same # of games each time? To me, that is a tell that the random numbers are correlated--at least when it comes to injury length
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I have had players get hurt at least four times in a season as well. It can be frustrating when you get the “injury notice” in your message box - and pretty much know who it is already. I understand the low EN’s make them more prone to injury. However, why does the same player keep getting hurt, even with other players on the team having that same exact low EN. It is like the player is “marked” before the season even starts. Or perhaps the slot in the batting order is “marked.”
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Random chance. When you look at the number of games this sim plays every day, the number of batter-pitcher confrontations in just an hour, events that are rare in MLB are going to happen more often. Rarities become certainties. I think gbacci has done an amazing job keeping this game on a reasonably even keel. Just my opinion.
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I did review the code, and nothing looks off - the number of days injured and who gets injured are not connected in any way, they are totally random, and no one player should be getting "targeted"... why one low-EN guy never gets hurt but one guy always does is probably random, but can feel annoying, I get it. Just to sanity-check myself, I ran the logic through chatGPT and its only suggestion was what I suggested before, which would be capping injuries once a player reaches a certain threshold in a season.
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Indeed Guy has done awesome on his site. That is why I have been here since 2011 lol. PC is great… I am just mentioning that because the chances of one player getting hurt 4 or 5 times with the same EN as maybe 3 other players on the team with the same EN (and they don’t get hurt) is lottery ticket material.
With that being said, players in real life do get hurt multiple times in a season. Hamstrings come to mind. That ever so popular oblique nowadays.
With that being said, players in real life do get hurt multiple times in a season. Hamstrings come to mind. That ever so popular oblique nowadays.
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This is an example ( somewhat) of the 'loop' effect
look at the 9th inning, my opponents RP's were a bit wild
https://www.pennantchase.com/baseba..
look at the 9th inning, my opponents RP's were a bit wild
https://www.pennantchase.com/baseba..
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Oh, those base on balls! And by 2 guys who don't normally give up walks. You just never know. In the immortal words of Ebby Calvin "Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. And sometimes, it rains"
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@gbacci I saw your response about injuries above but once again Randy Hundley injured 4 games league 2185.
Just noting this....its so weird if there is no coding logic issues....chances seem minimal since he does have a decent EN number, but it is possible im just unlucky!
Just noting this....its so weird if there is no coding logic issues....chances seem minimal since he does have a decent EN number, but it is possible im just unlucky!
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@Dodger1973 thank you for bringing this to my attention - I started some logging of injuries to validate what's going on, and if there is something funky going on that I can't figure out why, I may have to use this logging to ensure one person doesn't get shelved so often... I will report back here with some info.
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