Full Chat Log
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/21/2019 6:32 AM: i also think its too late, but someone shouldve coached you to leave ur 2 young SPs in the minors so their contracts wouldnt advance. too bad you dont have a mentor or brother or whatnot in this league... ;)
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/21/2019 6:31 AM: am i happy that you put a legal roster together? i dont care. commish should be the one on top of that. i just pointed it out since you needed a player, and u often dont respond to private messages, at least not often. i figured commish would see the chat box
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/21/2019 3:38 AM: Swept by the Rockies...just lost to the Giants 2-0...getting frustrated. My offense is nowhere near as good as it should be. Really frustrating.
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/20/2019 7:47 PM: Yeah for our only win of the day, I’m pretty sure 😑 not a good look this late
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 7:41 PM: A few long win/loss streaks right now
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 7:39 PM: Brady-Folse duel today, won by Brady and the Angels
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 7:39 PM: Quality starts also being tracked now, cool
egankelly8 (Mariners) at 11/20/2019 6:57 PM: There's you fifth starter, you happy?
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/20/2019 5:44 PM: ARI SP Keith Pace with a perfect game against Boston. Fontenot robbed a hit with 1 out in the 9th to help secure it
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/20/2019 5:25 PM: Eccleston robbed 2 hits from me. nice.
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 4:23 PM: Now I will get to see the good teams rob 5 hits a game from my Rangers
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 4:23 PM: New individual dwar tracker in box scores is kind of cool
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/20/2019 2:13 PM: WhyNot89 I believe
Jayslater1223 (Cardinals) at 11/20/2019 2:02 PM: Who was COL owner?
Soccerstar832 (Red Sox) at 11/20/2019 11:33 AM: OF Jackie Morrison is available. Currently leading MVP race.
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/20/2019 10:19 AM: oh i assume he just didnt realize. didnt mean he is tanking on purpose. the team is tanking tho, and getting the top pick int he process whether on purpose or not
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/20/2019 10:01 AM: Egan isn't smart enough to tank
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/20/2019 8:16 AM: how many times have we seen teams blatantly tanking in this league, sometimes even against the rules
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/20/2019 8:15 AM: how long has Seattle been allowed to play with just 4 SPs......no wonder they are in line to get the 1st pick
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 7:29 AM: Sucks to lose him. He’s been a good competitive owner for 10 seasons
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/20/2019 7:29 AM: Yeah didn’t leave a message before he left last night. I sent him a PM, no response yet
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/20/2019 6:35 AM: He left another league we were in suddenly as well, wondering if he just dropped the site completely
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/20/2019 6:21 AM: thats been happening for years tho lol
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/20/2019 6:18 AM: Probably when reality set in from signing a couple of bad contracts and his team is pretty old
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/19/2019 9:40 PM: When did COL owner leave?
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/19/2019 7:39 PM: 7 game losing streak...
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/19/2019 4:04 PM: Twins have 2-3 solid SP available. Staumont, Gerhke, Brooks could all be had
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/19/2019 3:06 PM: For 8 first round picks?
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/19/2019 11:20 AM: current leading MVP candidate Ozzie Albies would like to play for a contender, we will honor his wishes
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/19/2019 10:47 AM: League ERA is 4.40, league BA is .252, and avg runs per game is 4.65. All around the higher end of suggested levels, yet there arent any crazy high OPS players this season. Good stuff
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/19/2019 8:52 AM: michael jackson bad?
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/19/2019 8:28 AM: We're bad
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/19/2019 6:26 AM: well, whatever r u talking about. i am shocked to hear such banter
Jayslater1223 (Cardinals) at 11/19/2019 4:14 AM: I love all the sudden defense talk on PC. Defense has been helping owners win since Team Aggregate Range Factor was the lay of the land..
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/18/2019 9:48 PM: Yeah, only one team in the top 12 of hits saved is not in contention
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 8:39 PM: As are many teams really
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 8:39 PM: Same reason my pitching has always exceeded as well. TB been on the track too
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 8:38 PM: Oh it’s absolutely defense
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/18/2019 8:26 PM: Since ARI trade for SS Bradshaw, DBacks are 31-5. And I don’t think that’s a coincidence either
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/18/2019 8:18 PM: But it seems the secret sauce is really just a strong defense and limiting walks. I was feeling good about my pitching entering the season, but with the double big boost stadium I never would’ve thought reaching a level like this was possible.
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/18/2019 8:18 PM: There’s definitely something in the water in Phoenix this year...
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/18/2019 8:01 PM: Not complaining or dissing Sammy in any way. Just fascinated by what is happening in Arizona!
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/18/2019 7:59 PM: Mad respect for Sammy for assembling an incredible pitching staff. Question though: What is contributing to almost every one of AZ’s pitchers to far exceed their Real Stats? Either there is a market correction coming or Sammy has discovered something amazing...Thoughts?
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/18/2019 12:25 PM: Except #1 of course
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/18/2019 12:25 PM: Crazy how much these power rankings change with EVERY sim
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/18/2019 12:25 PM: Yeah I had that stretch a few days ago, it blows, godspeed
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 11:22 AM: omg and MINN after
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 11:22 AM: Padres, Dbacks and Capitales straight. RIP Cleveland
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 9:56 AM: gosh even Houston almost caught up to us. ewwwww
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 9:43 AM: all falling apart now
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/18/2019 7:31 AM: Truth!
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/18/2019 7:30 AM: 😂
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/18/2019 4:00 AM: Pittsburgh is a 1st place team!
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/17/2019 2:40 PM: Yeah, it was just an example of how bad we’ve been. Just lost to Pittsburgh...
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/17/2019 9:31 AM: Avg still sitting at .281!
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/16/2019 10:18 PM: El-Zarad is currently 0 for his last 34 at bats...I mean come on!
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/16/2019 1:13 PM: DH/OF Pitt available as well.. High fire, LHB, rental.. looking for an OF with more control
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/16/2019 1:02 PM: OAK 2-10 in our last 4 series...this is annoying...
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/16/2019 9:47 AM: ARI SP Junior Santos no hits Blue Jays
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/16/2019 1:29 AM: That’s for McQueen of course, Paull would cost a lot more lol
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/16/2019 1:06 AM: I’ll message you, but pretty much just a single solid prospect, preferably an SP that’s delayed
Jayslater1223 (Cardinals) at 11/16/2019 12:11 AM: Whatcha looking for ?
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/15/2019 7:52 PM: Moving for pretty cheap!
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/15/2019 7:51 PM: MIA also still has RF McQueen available. 35 fire, 1.000 FLD%, and 1.36 dWar
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/15/2019 3:32 PM: Wow, we suck right now!
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/15/2019 3:14 PM: Currently 3rd in MVP votes OF Paull could be had for the right price
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/15/2019 2:09 PM: Sacrificed whitt for it which sucks.
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/15/2019 2:09 PM: Putting a high fire guy on top of your lineup put Witt Jr basically on slump buster.
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/15/2019 8:39 AM: ARI 16 game win streak comes to an end at the hand of the Dodgers. Had won every game since installing Bradshaw at SS
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/14/2019 5:25 PM: If y’all havent noticed, welcome naplajoie as new owner of the Rays! Hopefully a lot less drama coming out of the Trop now...
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/14/2019 4:28 PM: Gosh. Robertson was out 30 days or so and now C Kuhnel too
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/14/2019 12:03 PM: Man these Dbacks are unstoppable
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/14/2019 11:55 AM: 2 in a row lost in the bottom of the 9th. splendid
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/14/2019 7:57 AM: ugh. what an awful loss
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/14/2019 6:53 AM: Caps making some adjustments to beef up the defense
Jayslater1223 (Cardinals) at 11/14/2019 3:58 AM: Go to sleep w a 13 game W streak, wake up to two L's and two injuries. Eesh.
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/13/2019 9:30 PM: Yay
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/13/2019 8:44 PM: Perfect game by Regestar against the Rangers
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/13/2019 4:33 PM: Couple of SP/RP on the block as well in CLE
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/13/2019 3:30 PM: 85 rank ARI RP Lee Gillette available. Rental
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/13/2019 3:21 PM: Severino and Pace have certainly earned their massive contracts. 120 for each of them
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/13/2019 1:20 PM: Arizona’s pitching is terrifying!
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/13/2019 12:46 PM: The Reds, our other GBF team without a playoff appearance, is hovering around .500
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/13/2019 12:46 PM: TOR is in the playoff race, and has 3 first round picks next offseason without giving up anything from their current roster
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/13/2019 3:25 AM: LAa 1st, CLE 2nd and CLE 2nd comp to Tor
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/12/2019 9:17 PM: Schultz looks to be the bargain of the offseason
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/12/2019 7:24 PM: Invite me to the inner circle once you get in on it mc
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/12/2019 4:32 PM: Blue Jays from that trade. Fixed
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 4:14 PM: Can someone fix their roster please thanks
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 12:27 PM: I'm just too funny for your family I guess omar and sammy.
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/12/2019 12:00 PM: not any of the players i asked about anyway, still dumbfounded tho. trade looks good tho fwiw
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/12/2019 11:59 AM: Your jokes go over my head, njr. You’re just a bit too sharp for me
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/12/2019 11:58 AM: just frustrated that i cant crack the inner circle it seems. not even a response
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/12/2019 11:58 AM: not complaining. purposely didnt even look at what players r in the trade yet before i commented
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/12/2019 11:57 AM: another example of a trade that happens when ive been trying to even get a response from the other guy
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/12/2019 11:50 AM: I guess I don’t catch any of your jokes NJR...
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 11:47 AM: So you guys just didn't get the joke.
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 11:46 AM: I was being facetious when I said wow sammy.
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/12/2019 11:44 AM: 1st to TOR
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/12/2019 11:22 AM: @njr...”wow haha”. Not a crazy request whatsoever. I gave 8 examples of *current* MLB players to commish. It was a reasonable ask, so don’t imply it was ludicrous. My reasoning was plenty fine. But I understand Tex’s reasoning for denying it, so I moved on without a word.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/12/2019 11:13 AM: dwar is the same at secondary positions, they are just more prone to errors at them
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/12/2019 11:00 AM: And if he had any other Secondary position (OF, C or INF) would his dwar be the same and any of those?
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/12/2019 10:59 AM: Enlighten me - I have a SS (primary) with 1.22 dwar / what is his secondary (2B) dwar??
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/12/2019 10:45 AM: I think the difference is in real life it's done out of necessity, on here it's to gain an advantage
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/12/2019 10:45 AM: I have to agree with Omar there, middle infielders tend to play CF as well, though they are typically not as good as a real CF
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/12/2019 10:39 AM: I don’t see how listing the few possible changes is complicating but alright
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 10:05 AM: Theres more factors than in real life players doing it assosciated with it. The players were basically created with their primary position as the baseline for the most part. DWar is too strong, I don't see the point in adding more complicating factors to it. just make them have normal secondary positions and be done with it.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/12/2019 9:42 AM: Instead of doing away with secondary changes just have a list of what changes can be made to which positions.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/12/2019 9:41 AM: That’s not even an insane request, I understand the denial but there’s tons of 2B that play CF
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/12/2019 9:14 AM: Yeah that’s my thought
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 9:05 AM: Maybe just make most players play a normal secondary and stop doing position changes.
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 9:04 AM: Wow sammy. A 2b/ss to cf. Haha.
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/12/2019 7:04 AM: McGinnis, Robertson, Albies and Owens on the trade block
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/12/2019 7:01 AM: “Don’t sleep on the Rangers”
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/12/2019 7:01 AM: Rangers are HOT, 5 in a row. Watch out central division
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/12/2019 7:00 AM: One last thing about this, MIN had also requested a 2B(SS) be changed to a CF secondary position, which I also declined. So it’s not like raging was the only one
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/12/2019 2:55 AM: Looking for a reason to leave probably sammy.
sammy-z (Twins) at 11/11/2019 8:26 PM: I just can’t fathom why a top 2 defensive team in the league would be so upset over a single defense oriented player
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 8:09 PM: he just spent days calling out GMs for not agreeing with him lol
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 8:09 PM: idk why Sol waited several days to quit the league if he was upset with the ruling on Devally
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 7:28 PM: ozimek threw a no hitter? lmao with 5 walks
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 7:27 PM: yeah but a lot of that is luck based off of being on fire and just getting lucky that day
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 7:26 PM: True, but there are a lot less talented SPs with no hitters in this league
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 7:26 PM: and thanks tex. this league is a drug for me. ill take the good with the bad. thank goodness the majority of the bad is no longer an issue. i anticipate a much more pleasant stay now
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 7:25 PM: And yes the mideast division just gets more impessive season after season
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 7:25 PM: he had 2 amazing progressions but was pretty average for a while
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 7:24 PM: he hasnt been that good for all that long
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 7:24 PM: Crazy that that was the first no hitter for someone as good as Wilcox
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 7:24 PM: Glad to have you back mc
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 6:02 PM: I come back and my team shuts out the opponent right away
bragankelly11 (Capitales) at 11/11/2019 5:31 PM: Dammit MC, if you'd waited 7 more hours I'd have won the pool this time!
Jayslater1223 (Cardinals) at 11/11/2019 5:12 PM: I'll take TB as a 2nd squad if you need an owner
mcvn4 (Indians) at 11/11/2019 5:12 PM: Lost a bunch of games bec of injuries and non adjusted lineups lol
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/11/2019 4:44 PM: Crazy week for the GBF
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 4:35 PM: Lol @mc defaulting to rays, that’s some good stuff
mcvn4 (Rays) at 11/11/2019 4:34 PM: Oh gosh how long was Robertson injured for
mcvn4 (Rays) at 11/11/2019 4:33 PM: CLE please
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/11/2019 4:11 PM: El-Zarad raking right now!!
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 3:15 PM: @twins I knew you were my kind of guy
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 3:08 PM: I was obviously joking about the mcvn comment omar
twins15 (White Sox) at 11/11/2019 2:53 PM: To borrow a line from The Office... Raging will be missed. Not by me, so much, but he will be missed.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/11/2019 2:38 PM: Yeah he messaged a couple other things he left because of. Mc being gone is almost certainly not one of them lmao. He left Jays Experiment too.. Mc not even in that league lol
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 2:30 PM: Cool so commish I'll take CLE and TBR too
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 2:04 PM: Eventhough he did argue in a way that made me wonder how he has free time to waste like that.
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 2:04 PM: There is zero chance he left just because of that.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/11/2019 1:12 PM: Can’t believe he built such a great team and left because a catcher couldn’t be given CF.. 😕
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/11/2019 1:02 PM: Mideast is a dog fight!!!
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 12:43 PM: ⬇️ Not wrong, our 4th place team is 19 back and would be tied for 1st there
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/11/2019 12:39 PM: Wow...so...baseball...what’s up with that Mideast division?! 😬
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 12:39 PM: He's costing GMs their jobs now
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 12:39 PM: He obviously left because of Pablo Reyes, the guy was just too good
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/11/2019 12:06 PM: You basically force a guy to leave - then when he is gone, you leave too, because the other guy is not here to harass?? Things that make you go hmmmmm
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 12:04 PM: Busier honeymoon week than I thought lol
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 12:04 PM: Wait when tf did MC leave
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/11/2019 12:02 PM: He also left Jays Experiment so it’s not Mc lmao
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 11:56 AM: I have no doubts he left because mcvn isnt here to harass anymore.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/11/2019 11:55 AM: Woah
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 11:55 AM: Because of rick ankiel I want to move rickham to cf.
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 11:55 AM: Just sounds like he needed an excuse for leaving.
notjoshray (Astros) at 11/11/2019 11:54 AM: Seriously tex. I'm pretty sure without mcvn here his motivation of just being a jacka$$ all the time isnt as strong.
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 11:53 AM: Good riddance dude
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 11:53 AM: TB continues to complain and leaves the league because he didn’t get his way
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 11:53 AM: I say no but allow him to cut the contract which I’ve never done before
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 11:53 AM: TB signs a catcher in free agency assuming he can switch him to CF, the second most important defensive position
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 11:52 AM: Lol
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 11:49 AM: I'll let someone else get a fresh start with TB.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 11:25 AM: Every one of your guys' reasons has been refuted with facts from MLB or with more egregious examples now playing in the GBF, and yet you just keep tap dancing over the fact it was a bogus, bad decision. Pence has the best defensive SS and CF in the league in one player. Of course his dWar progressed. That was predictable, wasn't it? The whole point is this: There are already ridiculous players in the league, DeVally has real life precedent, and, yet, every reason given why it was denied is either, "It never happens" or "A catcher can't play CF." But, a UT can play it all! And, a DH can play in RF. Different rules for different GMs is the end result, even though that isn't the intention.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 11:25 AM: C(RF) C(RF). Keep calling the man a catcher and chopping off his RF.
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 10:48 AM: Must have been a smart GM who selected him
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 10:48 AM: And an excellent pick at 26 overall
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 10:47 AM: I'm happy that Reyes is getting this much attention now, very underrated key player for us
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 10:39 AM: You are complaining about not being able to change a catcher to center field. Your logic is missing too
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 10:38 AM: And the difference between Reyes and DeVally is that Reyes has always been a UT. And his dwar has PROGRESSED. It wasn’t that high originally. But it’s been 4-5 progressions for him now
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 10:37 AM: Demeritt is a major reason I am going to implement dWar penalties for secondary position switches starting this offseason
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 10:28 AM: So, who was in mind when DH(1b) Wilson Demerritt was switched to DH(RF), he of the 4.5 dWar? For 49 games a primary DH has roamed the OF in AZ. Who was in mind when you created players is inconsequential. Who was in mind for UT(UT) Pablo Reyes? He of the 3.6 dWar. Better defensively than ANY player who is a primary CF in the league. Better defensively than ANY player who is a primary SS in the league. Pablo can be plugged in at both, no problem. That's deemed acceptable. Reyes is fine to exist, but Ray DeVally is unacceptable. The logic is completely missing, and, for some reason, I am the only one to see it or say it.
egankelly8 (Mariners) at 11/11/2019 8:51 AM: Pretty much all of my players are available. I want prospects and/or draft picks.
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 8:37 AM: Lost the PG in the 9th with a HB
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 8:36 AM: Oh sh*t that was Wilcox’s first no no?
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 8:21 AM: And Devally is a C(RF) with Wilson Contreras in mind. Where you can stick him in the outfield for a game if you need to, but nothing close to a center fielder
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/11/2019 8:20 AM: Yeah DHs shouldn’t have positive dWars. The last few drafts I’ve made sure they are negative 3 at least
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 8:15 AM: The only thing unrealistic about UT is that they can play catcher, but it's almost a waste to put a good one there anyway
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 8:14 AM: Inge and Murphy switched positions permanently because they weren't good at their first one
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 8:14 AM: There are far more players like Ben Zobrist and Kike Hernandez than Inge and Murphy
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 8:13 AM: DHs almost always are 1B or corner OF, but no DH should have a high DWAR
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/11/2019 7:37 AM: But a terrible catcher - hence the move
Ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 6:59 AM: How about guys who are primarily DH's? Usually find them switching from a secondary 1b to secondary LF, roaming the OF with a 4.5 dWar? Edgar Martinez would certainly have the second highest dWar of any OF ever. I know how much realism matters. And, all the talk of what position would never play another only applies to Ray DeVally, even though C to CF actually does happen.
Ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 6:43 AM: Keep making the point that it just can't happen, and let your UT be a dWar monster wherever you want to put him.
Ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 6:42 AM: Except Dale Murphy or Brandon Inge, one of whom was a Gold Glove CF. But DET's UT can play any position, and that makes sense, Pence?,
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 6:41 AM: Actually not many would play corner OF as a secondary I don't think, they just get moved there for longevity or if they're bad defensively as a catcher
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/11/2019 6:38 AM: Catchers do play 1B or corner OF as secondary positions. They don't play CF
MikeSpaz (Angels) at 11/11/2019 6:32 AM: Wilcox with a no hitter vs PAP
Loser63 (Nationals) at 11/11/2019 6:09 AM: I also came out and said that I did not like having UT & IF in the league - or either just make all players UT & IF, if you want to state what less than 1% of MLB players do....
Jayslater1223 (Cardinals) at 11/11/2019 5:58 AM: There's positional adjustments built into dWAR, to the tune of // C 12.5 runs/162 games // 1B neg. 12.5 per 162 games// 2B 2.5 // SS 7.5 // 3B 2.5 // LF and RF neg. 7.5 // CF 2.5 //DH neg. 17.5 ... That 10.5 runs or a little over a win difference between a C and CF off the bat.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 4:58 AM: Anyway. That's enough on that. Don't agree with the ruling or the reasoning behind it.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 4:14 AM: Omar, you do realize that you just pointed out that Murphy's dWar was better in CF than as a C? So, of course, DeVally's dWar shouldn't have taken a negative hit, it should have been raised 2 dWar, if modeling him after Murphy. Certainly, the fact Murphy's dWar rose 2 points when moving from C to CF supports the case a C/RF should have been allowed to be a C/CF.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 3:57 AM: Omar, a lot of DH/1b moving to DH/RF without any hit to their Defensive ability? That was allowed. A lot of 1b/1b moving to 1b/3b in today's game without any hit to D? That was allowed. You want to look at reality, hardly any full-time corner OFs move to CF full-time in today's game, but there's guys all over GBF making that move.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/11/2019 3:50 AM: DeVally's a C/RF. Not a C/C. I know it's convenient to ignore that his secondary is a big 'ol RF, but that's what it is. If it is unrealistic, why was he created in the first place? And, in PC a UT/UT can play ANY position without any penalty to defense or dWar. So, if C/RF becoming C/CF is so ghastly and unrealistic, what is the high dWar guy who can play CF and SS and 2b and 3b without any penalty? It has no bearing where Reyes was drafted. DeVally was a FA, anybody could have bid on him. Reyes exists, Dale Murphy exists, pointing to DeVally and saying, "Can't happen, unrealistic" is completely bogus reasoning.
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/10/2019 10:40 PM: He also had 161 career SB so he had some wheels on him at least, Devally in his real stats has only 7 and is a 3 speed. No slow catcher, especially in today’s age, would be put into CF for actual defensive production
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/10/2019 10:37 PM: He also was a bad defensive catcher with negative dWars each season then after being a CF/RF he had one good season with 1.8 dWar then every other was below .8, multiple in the negatives
omar20 (Marlins) at 11/10/2019 10:34 PM: Dale Murphy once he became a CF, stopped playing catcher. In 1980 he made the transition and never played C again in his MLB career. So, if you were modeling this after him, you’d have to convert his position for the cost of I believe 2 dWar making him an actual CF..
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/10/2019 10:13 PM: But the rules say realistic, and a catcher playing center field isn’t realistic at all
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/10/2019 10:13 PM: The introduction of dwar messed a lot of things up, and we are just now realizing how powerful it is. Recent and future draft classes have been made with dwar in mind, and I’m going to clear up position changes rules going forward as well so there won’t be any more issues
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/10/2019 10:10 PM: Not sure why UT Reyes is being brought up. He was drafted 26th overall, AS A UTILITY. Anybody could have had him
Texrangersws14 (Rangers) at 11/10/2019 10:10 PM: The rules page literally says secondary position can be changed to something *realistic* at no dwar penalty. In the year 2019, was there a single primary position catcher who spent even an inning playing CF!??
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/10/2019 10:05 PM: A GM following the rules should not have an entire off-season screwed up because the Commish created a player he now doesn't think is realistic (apologies to Dale Murphy), and because dWar is too powerful in PC. I didn't create either situation, I just followed the rules, and lost an off-season, strategically. Good for my competitors, though, especially mcvn for doing his best to add his fog of dWar to the process.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/10/2019 9:50 PM: And, Slater, you're right, I shouldn't expect you to know what goes on in every league you're in... you have a lot on your PC plate. My apologies.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/10/2019 9:48 PM: Pence knew UT/UT dWar Mammoth existed. I'm pretty sure Tex knew. So, how is DeVally not allowed, but that player is?
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/10/2019 9:47 PM: And, out of fairness, since so many other secondary RF's have been converted to CF's, and you knew a UT/UT dWar monster existed, you should have piped up that DeVally should not be treated as some anomaly that had to be quashed.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/10/2019 9:45 PM: I'm not suggesting Pence have to drop UT/UT 3.6 dWar God. I'm suggesting you should have, instead of interjecting something about the dWar being too high, noted that you, in fact, have a 3.6 dWar guy that can plug in at SS or CF or wherever you please without losing any fielding percentage whatsoever.
ragingsol (Rays) at 11/10/2019 9:42 PM: The logic that says, "Dale Murphy was only one guy" is flawed from many angles. Ray DeVally is only one guy. Plus, others have played C and CF in the same season, namely Brandon Inge.
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/10/2019 7:36 PM: Every SS should be able to also play 3B or 2B
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/10/2019 7:35 PM: At the very least I think if there are no position changes every player should have realistic secondary positions
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/10/2019 7:34 PM: other than limit how high the dWAR gets for players
Pencesylvania76 (Tigers) at 11/10/2019 7:34 PM: I still think position changes are a good thing, really it's dWAR that is broken because of how good it is, but there's not much we can do about it
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/10/2019 7:19 PM: Position switches have gotten out of hand. I was against any kind of position switch, but the majority of the league wanted it. Might go back to none at all................
TexRangersWS14 (Rangers) at 11/10/2019 7:18 PM: dWar got kind of out of hand when it was first introduced to the site. I believe ive done a better job of managing it, and usually the really good defensive players are poor offensively, and vice versa
jabarwick (Athletics) at 11/10/2019 7:07 PM: Agree with Pence’s assessment of UT players. I’ve never had one that excels at any position defensively. I curr..