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Bunting Option


Bunting Option

Is there any way to keep your team from bunting with a guy on 2nd and no outs?

It is such a high risk - little reward situation, that a real life mgr would probably get run out of town for doing this. It's driven me crazy for a few years now.

Ideas?

Thanks.

Re: Bunting Option

Set your batters to do not bunt - it's a bad strategy anyway.

- The Sheik

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I think the strategy depends upon the balance of your team. If you are weaker on power but very strong defensively, it can actually win you many close games.

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I don't know Sheik, I have found that if you have players with 8, 9 or 10 speeds if you set that FAST runners should surprise bunt often, they have a pretty darn good success rate, can lead to some big innings

However no one ever bunts with a man on 3rd, no suicide squeezes in PC, I am surprised at how often batters bunt with 2 strikes as well, that % should be WAY lower.

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Well, on PC I think I that’s just cosmetic, they aren’t fouling out bunting with 2 strikes.

Of course bunting a runner to 3rd with no outs is a legit strategy with a weak hitter. Sure, usually only pitchers do it, but it definitely happens. I agree, for the most part I don’t want it happening at times I don’t choose.

Surprise bunt is definitely too successful on PC. Granted, it limits the hitter to single and no extra base hit, but for non power hitting speed guys it’s too successful and too common here, and there’s no way to setup a defense to stop it.

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" Surprise bunt is definitely too successful on PC. Granted, it limits the hitter to single and no extra base hit, but for non power hitting speed guys it’s too successful and too common here, and there’s no way to setup a defense to stop it."


This was my actual point, I have seen some teams with slap hitting, really fast, good pitching, and Hi Dwar Players do quite well,

Re: Bunting Option

I use bunting in Deadball leagues for guys that run 9 or 10 and I use it if I have a Cobb type in ATG. I'm more of a "Moneyball" type of manager otherwise.


- The Sheik

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Here are some of the leaders for all time bunt for hits and their respective success rate

Maybe surprise bunt is just neglected in today's game...

Brett Butler 49,9%
Otis Nixon 44.5%
Juan Pierre 38.8%
Maury Wills 47%
Kenny Lofton 54.6%
Rod Carew 72.2%
Matty Alou 74%
Vince Coleman 47.9%
Rafael Furcal 40.3%
Mickey Mantle 54.4%

Guys like Lee Mazilli with a 87.5% succes rate, Steve Garvey 46 out of 56 for a ridiculous 82.2% success rate, Pete Rose at 69.9% success rate

as a whole here are the yearly global batting average on bunt for a hit attempts in mlb from 2007 to 2016...

succes rate is quite impressive...

2007 = .434
2008 = .441
2009 = .400
2010 = .403
2011 = .435
2012 = .438
2013 = .436
2014 = .443
2015 = .443

reference:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2..

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Huh, I didn't know Devan wrote for Beyond the Box Score once upon a time.

I wonder if there is a cost of going down a strike if you foul it off or don't put it in play.

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Probably these numbers are only considering balls in play.

I,ve seen other numbers based on success rateaveraging %36, my guess is that number would consider foul balls,etc...

On another hand, they are ignoring sacrifice bunt being turned into base hits...

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Yes, but their success rates are because they didn’t do it once or twice a game, they picked their moments. If they did it every game the defense would adjust (which we can’t even do here).

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True that a lot of them have to keep the surprise factor...

but there is also guys like Brett Butler, Juan Pierre, Otis Nixon who were just a constant threat...also allowing them to slap base hits around just by stretching the defense...

If not from it's bunts for hits, Brett Butler's carrer average would drop from .290 all the way down to .265

He average 22 bunt base hits a season... with single season high of 42 in 1992...

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Guys like Rickey Henderson, Ichiro Suzuki, Tim Raines, and Eric Davis had a very high bunt hit % because they also had power,
you had to respect their ability to hit one out.

On the flip side Juan Pierre, Brett Butler and that type of player MIGHT hit 5 HR's a year and the bunt was more expected so the corners would frequently come in against them -

I once saw Billy Hamilton go from 1st to 3rd, on a ground out, amazing

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I forgot to mention that a bunting for a hit with 2 strikes also seems to happen a lot with a 3-1 or 3-2 count, regardless of the outcome its taking 5 or 6 pitches from an RP late in a game, that makes a big difference because most good RP rarely have more than say 25 Stamina