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Why is the closer not selected in the 9th inning to save a game???

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I never designate a closer. I want my best pitcher coming in first rather than saved for the 9th inning....I think that us what you are asking.

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You have to set the closer and setup pitchers for that to happen.

Some prefer to not use a Setup pitcher along with a Closer, but my personal (albeit brief) experience has been that my teams have an overall lower ERA than when I just designated a Closer.
As we've seen in the thread, some don't even assign closers.
It's all up to how you prefer I suppose.

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Trulaia has the right idea here. I’ve noticed more success since eliminating the setup and closer roles on my teams. Would rather have my best reliever come in as soon as he’s needed, what if the lesser reliever gives up even more runs before it’s time for your best guy to come in to try to save and they could have been avoided.

In real baseball the role serves a purpose and people with that “clutch” ability who don’t crack under pressure increase their value in that position. But on here nobody has that, they’re all just numbers so have your better numbers pitch more innings and you win more games. Most closers end up in the 50-60 innings pitched mark but if you have decent stamina on your best RP they can easily get over 130 innings pitched to help your team’s overall era more

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Definitely. I'd always want my best RP coming in when DOWN close, to keep it close. No reason to save him for a save that might not come for multiple games.

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This is the man that taught me to do this, so if you don’t believe me, believe yankeebb lol

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I also rely heavily on my pen if that's where the best rates are. I want my best rates pitching the most innings. Just as I want my best hitters hitting 1-5 so they see more plate appearances. Why pigeonhole your best RP into only throwing 60 IP, all in 9th innings, when many 'clutch' innings with the highest leverage can be found in the 6th, 7th, and 8th. If you prioritize a strong pen right, and hook your weaker SP earlier, shoot, my teams have had seasons where 4 RP hit 100 IP. Some where up to 6 or 7 reach 90 IP.

Its all about having your best on the field as often as possible.

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MLB tactics in the playoffs mirror Jay's description of how to get the most out of your good relievers. That's good proof of the right way to set 'em up.

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I'm referring, of course, to how Craig Counsell got the most out of the extraordinarily talented Josh Hader. The World Series hasn't offered much in innovative reliever roles (other than Eovaldi's eye-popping velocity).

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Or consider Andrew miller’s usage and dominance for 2015-2017. Why hold him until a potential closing situation, if you have a reliever who’s that dominant, then having him pitch 5th-7th to hold or even win the game is even more important in my eyes

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Obviously not setting up a closer is a good strategy and the right way to go.

But I love to see a guy racking up saves so I aam still using a closer despite sacrificing some WINS down the road...

As for the actual abuse on relievers, Andrew Miller abusive usage backfiresin Cleveland couple years ago, and so it did this year for Milwaukee...

Quite happy to see the best rotations winning their way to the WS this year.

If only offenses can get rid of these special defense and start spreading the ball a bit.... JD Martinez, Aguilar and Benentendi made opositie field base hit and base runner accumulation relevant again...



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Closers have a definite place in P C, don't let the anti-hype cloud your judgment.

A stud RP with sub-23 stamina is a prime candidate. And if you already have a bullpen stud with decent ST, slotting in a 2nd bullpen stud at closer (or set-up) can be a smart tactic in an important series.

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I could see where the "floating closer" ie: nobody specifically assigned, and playing the best first, would be a very good idea if you SP lineup was questionable, or just plain bad.

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Seeing as how I have a full stable of teams, I'm going to play "Mad Baseball Scientist" with some of my marginal teams that are out of the playoffs with the various theories of play, and see if there is an improvement or declination in W/L %