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2020 HOF class


2020 HOF class

Time for Jeter,Schilling and Larry Walker to get in...

Billy Wagner should also been recongnized. He was lights out for many years...

if Trevor Hoffman is in there... Wagner should be right in.

Pretty much the poster boy of today's closers prototype.

If we often relate as the Hall of pretty good for borderline players eligible. He was way more than pretty good.

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Jeter just qualified for the ballot, he couldn't get in before 2020...
As for Schilling, he didn't win 300 games and had an ERA of almost 3.50. Not HOF numbers.
Walker is the same. Doesn't have 3000 hits, only 2100+. Didn't hit 400 HR's either. Players have to be dominant in their era, Schilling and Walker don't fit the bill.

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Brian Kenny always talks about how guys should get into the HOF for "peak dominance". No. The greatness reflected in an overall career makes a hall of famer. Walker, Schilling, and Wagner did not have dominant overall careers. Keep the Hall for the true greats.

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Agreed... Don't want to see the Hall get watered down. Harold Baines should never have been selected. I went to the induction of Piazza and Griffey. Two all-time greats that were completely dominant at their positions. Tom Seaver, Nolan Ryan, Mariano Rivera are a few more that were no-brainers.

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I have to say that the Hall of Fame should be reserved for players who displayed dominance over an extended period, there are many players who were really good for 5 or 6 years, then either injuries, or just a drop off in talent were done.

A Major league Season is 162 games, traveling all the time, distractions, all factors to be considered, the HOF should take all those attributes into consideration,.

Curt Schilling, does not have the year in year out numbers, but he was huge more than once in the most stressful and important times, another consideration, he won't get in though, he's too opinionated and even though that should not matter, it works against him.

Jeter? Honestly, a really nice player on a great team, but borderline HOF in my opinion, although, in a down year, he could get enough votes, Jim Rice was WAY better than Jeter, look how it took him to get in.

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Who was more dominant than Wagner as a closer ? If you have one game to save... who would you pick? Rivera, Hoffman or Eckersley? After asking Roberto Alomar and Kirk Gibson, I select Billy Wagner...

Can you see a single RF being as good as Walker while he was playing. Vlad maybe... Juiced Sosa... I cant see one as good as him since the 1960's...

Has for Schilling... there was Smoltz, Maddux, Pedro, Johnson and who else could stand toe to toe with these guys and have an equal chance to win? I would pick Schilling 10 times over Mussina or Glavine to face one of theses guys... Who cares about the amont of wins Glavine collected... Sc hlling was way more dominant for many years. He is the ultimate definition of a horse on a baseball mound.

Walker and Wagner.where as dominant for many years...

Many HOF members collected numbers for so many years living on their reputation while being liabilities to their teams... these guys just didn't...

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A really nice player?! I’m a Mets fan and I hate the Yankees, but the guy had 3500 hits. First ballot HOF and maybe a unanimous choice.

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And the ONLY reason why Schilling didn't win several Cy Young awards is because he had to be not only in the same league, but also being on the same TEAM as Randy Johnson... Move Johnson to the AL before his stretch of dominance from 99-04, Schilling wins Johnson's Cy Young's in that span hands-down (though this is on no way a dig towards the mighty left-hander, he certainly is Hall material, just simply pointing out that his successes often came at Schilling's expense...)

Edit: and this is a NYY fan saying this. 2004 playoff bias aside, I'm fully aware why Boston was so stuck on getting him. The Yanks did try, but it wouldn't be worth the cost, from their point of view. But boy, he was a TRUE ace, the kind that is dying out in this day and age... He, like Johnson, was truly a BEAST on the mound (just minus Johnson's size)

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One last point on Larry Walker...
You can't just compare to RF, he's going up against all outfielders in his era: Griffey with 600 hrs, Tim Raines with 800 SB, Henderson with 1400 SB and over 2200 runs scored. Walker has his MVP award, but a lot of guys have an MVP and didn't make the HOF. He only has 2100 hits, didn't make 400 hrs and he's 105th on the RBI list. For a guy that was a slugger, those numbers just don't stack up. He's in the hall of very good.

And there's no way I'm taking Wagner over the Eck in his prime.

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Nothing againts Ken Griffey, but the Cincinnati version of him, where he played for 10 years and collected 210 extra hrs... when Walker retired he was still an asset for his team, Griffey became quite a liability for quite some time... hope he was introduced for his 1st 400hrs, not the last 200

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I mean.....if the "Bloody Sock" is in the Hall of Fame, shouldn't the guy who WORE said sock be in there too ???

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Jeter is the only one you mentioned that is a HOFer. He had 8 two hundred hit seasons, and over 3500 hits, a no brainer selection.

Schilling & Walker are not HOFers

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Walker is 15th in the all time OPS leaders, for 17season... close to Joe Dimaggio's, numbers, edging him out in many categories in total numbers... Griffey is 56th on that list...

The lonesome Comboy on that list....

not considering the juiced players like Bonds,Manny and Mc Gwire...

He will then be, by far, the best hitter , the best player of all-time not making it to the Hall of Fame... considering the 5 tools he also presented...

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Please don’t compare Larry Walker to Joltin’ Joe. The man who had 3 MVP’s, a 56 game hitting streak and a lifetime.325 batting average. All while losing 3 prime years to military service...

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This post presents an excellent opportunity for me to reiterate the following point: STEVE GARVEY BELONGS IN THE HALL OF FAME!

Thank you.

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Schilling was a complete jackass when dealing with the baseball writers - he'll never get voted in. I loved Garvey as a player and he was one of my favorite Dodgers - but no way is he a HOF'er.

- The Sheik

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The Baseball Reference Hall of Fame Monitor begs to differ...

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Garvey's career wins above replacement (WAR) of 37.7 is way below typical Hall of Fame standards -- it is almost 30 wins less than the average Hall of Fame first baseman. He NEVER, once, slugged .500. He won 4 gold gloves, but had a bad throwning arm. Again, I loved the Garv - he was a clutch hitter and had a great postseason batting record - he deserved to be placed in the LA Dodgers HOF, but not the MLB HOF.

- The Sheik

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Jeter was a Yankee, that alone should be automatic Grounds for keeping him out!

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Sorry Sin, doesn't work like that! 😝

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I know and Jeter belongs in the HOF, I really don't want him to be a 1st ballot guy though, I firmly believe that on a lesser team he would never have compiled his numbers.

That lineup was DEADLY for years, you kinda had to pitch to the guys less likely to take you deep.

A good, not great fielder, range a bit small, Lifetime Fielding % of .972 is good, but if you don't get to a ball you can't error.

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Garvey is another guy that is in the hall of very good...
Solid player on a great team.

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Google: worst fielding shortstop in history

Added bonus: he not only was the worst SHORTSTOP, but is the all time worst in defensive runs saved... across ALL POSITIONS.

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Yeah Sin, I concede that fact. Jeter probably will be a first ballot HoF inductee but I'd say maybe what he should get is perhaps 2-3 attempts required, at least. But I also agree that, on any other lineup, his numbers would likely be far less impressive, and the defensive troubles he had throughout his career would have probably been scrutinized much more without extra talent around him (sure he probably would have some talent around him, but not nearly as much as what he DID have around him over the years)