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Brian Harkins


Brian Harkins

Well, that's a HUGE problem the mlb has now with the lawsuit Harkins has filed. He's named a LOT of big names that he says used is illegal substance for better grip to the ball.

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There shouldn't be suspensions for this, pitchers have been using substances for decades.

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As i said earlier, its mlb's dirty little secret. If the pitchers cant control their pitches, they would kill someone, but unfortunately , the squeeky wheel gets the grease

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I see Jimgriddys point, cheating is cheating, and penaltys are correct, that being said, I'm not discounting the fact that cheating happened, just that Harkins is being treated very badly for what he did, the teams knew and making him the scapegoat seems kind of unfair.

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The rules should be changed.

Both hitters and pitchers want them using *something* to help grip the ball.

Allow it, state what is allowed and what isn't. Right now, it's not allowed, but everyone knows every pitcher uses something, and everyone *wants* the pitchers using something. So no one makes an issue out of it.

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No, that is anything but a valid point. If your mind is not sophisticated enough to discern the difference between gamesmanship or seeking an advantage by operating in a gray area that has been tacitly a part of baseball since its inception; and outright actual cheating by ingesting a banned likely illegal under the real law never mind baseball substance, then I don't know what to tell you...

I guess by that "logic" (or the lack thereof) someone who recklessly drives and mows down several people is exactly the same as someone who parked in a "no parking" zone, right? Ridiculous- thank god our laws aren't written so obtusely

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I dont understand what is so bad about pitchers using pine tar. It gives the pitcher a better grip so they don't hit batters as much

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What is so bad about a hitter using a corked bat? the bat is lighter and the ball goes farther due to greater bat speed!

What is so bad about using steroids? besides the long term health effects to the user and giving the user an advantage over players who aren't cheating?

Well, it's cheating, so that's what bad,

IF the only advantage is a better grip and better control than it should be standardized and allowed for all, BUT if it increases spin or offers additional advantages to the pitcher as a side effect then it's NOT ok and should NOT be allowed - I mean pitchers wouldn't lie to get an advantage, right? that would be cheating- but then why not cheat? it can help you win.

Wait, what was that sound? it almost sounded like someone was hitting a trash can.

With your mindset, I'm sure that you will never cheat again at Pennant Chase....

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Graig 'Not Gonna Settle' Nettles decided cork wasn't enough. He had 6 super balls inserted in his.

For the young: Look up super balls (toy from the 60s/70s) to imagine why Nettles might have tried this.

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It's like corking a bat, that's not really in the gray area, that's cheating and it has been, the difference here is that there's a gray area in the rules, baseball will only enforce the foreign substances when it's noticeable (think michael pineda). I think there should be a rule like the one that led to the (in)famous pine tar game. Regulate it, but don't ban it.

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I'm not saying that using a foreign substance isn't cheating, but it isn't as bad as a corked bat or steroids or what the Trasshterisks did. But keep this in mind. Most batters are FINE with pitchers using pine tar or other substances since hitting is really overpowered right now and no batter is trying to get hit by a tiny, white, 102 mph rock. they would rather the pitcher know where it's going than risk getting hit in the jaw (Giancarlo Stanton) or the ribs (Hanley Ramirez) or the wrist (Justin Turner). And just so you know, foreign substances have been illegal for a really long time, and I guarantee you that 99% of pitchers are hiding something in their glove or hat that gives them a better grip. Kershaw does it. We know Cole does it. We know Verlander does it. And to name some players from when you were 30, Randy Johnson and Pedro Martinez probably used something. Also, there is no reason to accuse me or imply that I am going to cheat again. that's laughable. and putting pine tar on your fingers so you can improve your accuracy and so you can get a better break on your pitches is not like making a second account to trade yourself better players. and I know how I acted, but I already said I was sorry and that I would never do it again. And if I'm being 100% honest, I didn't really know it was cheating at the time, obviously I did when Guy sent that message though.

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I seriously doubt that Pedro Martinez or Randy Johnson used illegal substances. they didn't need to, they were that good, Randy also had an added advantage of being a bit WILD and batters were cautious because he threw SO hard - Pedro was just hard to read, his fastball exploded on you and his control was legendary, if you geared up for the heater and he threw you a curve, it was all over.

There is no grey area, either it's to help a pitcher get a grip or it's to give them an advantage, this notion that today's hitting is too strong well maybe if they thought they might take a hard one in the ribs once in a while they wouldn't swing from the heels - they might protect themselves - hanging over the plate with impunity can and should lead to broken bats, broken fingers and broken wrists -

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yeah, but pitchers would rather give up runs then injure a player. I would.

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Really? If you give up runs, you don't get the contract. Hit a few guys and batters aren't digging in just focusing on launch angle.

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I don't know. I guess you are right, but how bout they use it, don't hit batters and don't give up runs.

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" I don't know. I guess you are right, but how bout they use it, don't hit batters and don't give up runs."

There's an idea,, I would pay good money NOT to watch that...

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Pedro’s admitted to using hair gel to get a better grip