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Perfect game ?


Perfect game ?

A pitcher has a perfect game thru 9 , but his team doesnt score. The manager sends him out for the 10th. Does the inning starting with a guy on 2nd ruin it ? I know it will still be a no hitter. There is also the possibility that the other team sacrifices the runner in and the pitcher could retire 30 batters and still lose.

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Supposedly still a perfect game since pitcher didn’t allow the runner on base.

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So it's possible a pitcher could throw a 10 inning perfect game and still lose 1-0.

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I am in a Fantasy League and had my Closer enter the game end of the 10th up 4-3 man placed on 2B - He got a G3 Runner to 3B, F9 Runner scores, G6 3 outs - I got charged with a blown Save

That's just WRONG

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Wait why? The definition of save is so wide anyway.

If a starter enters the ninth with a 1-0, gives up a leadoff double and gets pulled, the closer enters and the same thing happens, the closer also gets a blown save. No one complains

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Yeah nothing different for the closer there. They come in with runners at 3rd all the time in almost impossible situations. It’s still a blown save. I get it though, they aren’t coming in clean anymore in extra innings.

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Think of this , because of this stupid extra inning rule , you could have a perfect game but not a shutout and lose .

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While HTENNIS brings up a very valid point about an RP entering a game in a save situation with the odds stacked against him, such as a 1 run lead and the RP enters with a man on say 3B and no outs, in Real life a BS in that situation really is meaningless, only because the Fantasy League I am in gives you a -4 points for a BS -in Real life it means nothing, your team may go on to either win or lose that game but in that fantasy league where your RP is probably done after that inning, its a pretty harsh penalty considering an IP is only 1 point and a blown save is -4

I was really asking if you guys thought that a scoring change might be appropriate,

I apologize for not giving enough info

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League shouldn't have blown saves in scoring, that's my opinion.

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Another no hitter and another one in the process, ho hum.I still don't think this has anything to do with the seams I think it has to do with the all or nothing approach

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I agree Mr Bubbles - hate that extra inning rule with the white hot fire of a thousand flaming suns

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This Tweet in response to the less lively ball by Max Bay sums up what I think is happening:

"It was foolish of MLB to expect professional hitters to change the approach that gave them their careers. Even if they could, the run value weighting scheme isn't fundamentally different w/ the new ball. Home runs are still achievable and still the most valuable outcome of a PA."

Mr. Bubbles, for the more contact baseball to come back, you probably have to demonstrate these incentives for a few seasons, then train a new generation of hitters. It's going to be like this for a while, it seems.

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They could move fences back. What is a greater outcome for hitters I wonder? Going for launch angle and homer or hitting to the opposite field for a single against the shift?
And by that I mean percentage wise. Which is more likely to happen if the hitter tried to do one or the other ? I know the reward factor. But if hitters forced teams out of the shift by hitting the other way, then they have the middle opened up and their pull side
Used to be you would see a hitter get a base hit going back up the middle. Now its almost an automatic out.

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Jim,

Seeing a small (but growing) tendency at our games to go the opposite way. When it happens, the crowd reacts strongly (as does the radio coverage team).

Fans at our park are making it known this is what they want to see from the team.

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I hear ya. I bought MLB.tv so I can watch Royals games, (not too fun lately) And when anyone beats the shift the opposite way they go crazy!

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Different game but same mindset , the NBA has become unwatchable for me , it's basiclly a 3 pt contest. Saw a playoff game where a team was down by 2 with 8 seconds to go, inbounded to an unblocked player under the basket who could have easily tied but instead threw it out to a teammate to try a long 3, they lost. Everyone thinks they are Steph Curry , their not.

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"could have easily tied it"

I don't know what the specific scenario is, but even if the two-pointer was 100%, which never happens, and I doubt it happened in this case, he only needed to hit the three-pointer 50% of the time to make it worth it.

If the two had 50% chance of going on, he only needs to hit the three 25% of the time to make it more worth it.

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I listened to the Buster Olney podcast when they discussed the extra inning perfecto situation and according to MLB, yes - it would officialy be a perfect game because the pitcher retired every batter he faced.

- The Sheik

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Here's a good one for you......

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/ernie-shor..
- The Sheik

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No longer considered a perfect game by MLB rules. What i find interesting now is it's possible to pitch a 10 inning perfect game, get a loss , and not get a shutout.

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Well, logically, the "ghost runner" placed at 2B is not the responsibility of the pitcher for official scoring purposes. I don't like the extra inning rule either, but the runner has to be accounted for somehow.. That runner is not charged to the pitcher as either an earned or unearned run.

- The Sheik

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Seems like every great baseball story begins with Babe Ruth

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your right sheik but a pitcher could pitch 10 perfect innings but stillgive up a run in the 10th via 2 sacrifices and lose 1-0. Now the ? is what are the odds it will happen?

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Sincity in my league a loss is -5 a win is 5 a save is 5 and a BS is 5, but each inning gets 3 points, so it balances out some of it.

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Mr. Bubbles - that would fall under the catagory of Murphy's Law: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"

- The Sheik

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Speaking of perfect games, Urias has retired the 1st 15 Giants - Dodgers up 11-0......

- The Sheik

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Yikes, looks like sheik jinxed it lmao

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Yeah - I should have shut my pie hole !!! Dodgers held on for a sweep of the Giants in SF.

- The Sheik

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Another no-hitter note - Turnbull follows his no-no in his last start with a start against Cleveland today; and the Indians have been no-hit twice already this year.

- The Sheik