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Frustrated my leagues won't fill


Frustrated my leagues won't fill

I've always been into the best of season leagues and with all the leagues open these leagues are taking forever to fill. Looks like more than half of my leagues are unfilled. Its frustrating and I'm venting.

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It's not just those leagues... I've had two ATGs for months that are not even close to filling... so really adding access to all the leagues has not changed the fill rate, IMO. Which I figured would be the case, but I've had many people over the years insist it would help. I don't think it's necessarily hurting, but it isn't helping either.

It's really not about what leagues are open when, or how many are open, it's simply about supply and demand. Plus the holiday season is always a little slower.

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Could leagues with available teams go on a limited "round robin" type system where say 5 leagues with teams are listed in a given category???
In this case, we'll say Quick Draft ATG Keeper leagues.
5 are listed to join, and as they fill another takes its place on the list, at the bottom of the list, rinse-repeat.
This will allow all leagues to fill in a timely and organized fashion.

Of course, this sounds good on paper. I have no idea how hard it would be to program into the existing game.

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What about allowing donors to own an additional 5-10 teams, but they must be from a pre-determined list of 'slow filling leagues'. I know I'd join a few to help out if I knew it wasn't causing me to have to give up any leagues or make room. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would volunteer. Your donors are already the most active participants to begin with, along with some non-donors as well, of course. But "watering the grass that's greenest" could help ?

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I am frustrated because I am paying to have access to 50 teams but only 22 of them are in play. This was never this big of an issue until the leagues opened up. I certainly like the ability to choose whatever league but what's the point if they never fill? I dunno I'm trying to not complain about the changes but recently I have found myself becoming disinterested in this game for the first time since 2012.

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Perhaps auto leagues could have automatically generated teams when they don't fill after a certain time period.

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Auto league teams were filled by bots some time ago.. They sucked.

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When the leagues were limited they filled a lot quicker. Instead of spreading people out between all the leagues the ones closer filled up first. That's the solution.

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Bots in Auto Leagues? Since when?
Is that something that was tried, then canceled?

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Dynasty was a bot that was in auto leagues when I first joined years ago, and it drafted terribly (alphabetically) and was always a 50 win team.

I know there's a new one in some leagues currently, but no idea how it's doing. I forget what it's called, Filler or something.

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Not surprising, Correct

Always A1 with the info 👍

It’s in Auto League 133

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I have to agree with the original poster, it seems MUCH harder to fill Auto Leagues, especially since the draft change.

Although I think the draft change is a good thing, people are not used to the type of team they end up with after the draft and think their team is really bad and end up leaving before the League fills.

I have literally 5 Leagues I am in that I cannot get to fill.

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I think this slow fill issue is linked to people leaving leagues once the season is over... i’ve never understood that? Perhaps the same remedy can fix both issues, if the turnaround time for the start of the next season is reduced then maybe fewer people will leave which will mean fewer people will need to join... just a thought.

How many days is the default on rebooting a league for the next season anyway?

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I wanna say 3 or 4 ?

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The issue is that there are so many available teams that people are spread out too thin. If there were say 3 all time great leagues available to join, people who wanted to play in those leagues joined one of those 3 leagues until they filled. Now there is a ton available so those prospective owners are spread out over many leagues instead of filling a couple.

I like the fact that I am able to browse all league but not if it leads to an over abundance of options so that leagues that normally would fill do not.

Maybe we could change it back and add the access to all leagues with the donation of 20 dollars? Or an additional 5 dollars or something? I dont know, I know this is typically the slow time of year but this is definitely the slowest I've seen it in the 6 years I've been playing.

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I know many of you don't want to hear it and Guy doesn't either but the system of getting lousy players is contributing to the lack of people joining. I've joined 2 league over the last couple days and then left after the pathetic draft in keeper leagues.
Example: I drafted an 86 in Gibson, from there it went to a 60-50-40-30.
The pen was the same 80- to 60-50-40-30. So right away, without even looking at hitting, I need at least 6-8 pitchers. I can deal with not so great hitting. I've had some bad hitting teams do well but if you have to spend your entire supplemental draft on pitching, your hitting is going to lack.

In both leagues I was the 12th team to join. There was in one leagues 23 SP & 27 RP over 50. In the other league 22 SP 25 RP over 50. I've said it to Guy before the drafts have gotten progressively worse since the change. Redrafts: Don't even bother saving a pitcher under 80. I saved Horlen a 73 and in the redraft, he was my top pitcher. I only signed him to have a decent 4-5 spot filled. Instead, I had to spend my entire sup. draft on SP.

To me, this is why leagues aren't filling. You can't build a team like this. Oh I know some will say it's like that for everyone, but it's not. How do I end up with 12 of my 23 guys under 50 and other teams have 2 or 3 under 50. I'm not staying in a league to get slaughtered.
I want to at least have a chance to compete. The system has changed that. Okay, now yell and scream at me. I could care less. I have my opinion and you have yours.

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The way to be successful now in my opinion is to stay in your league and draft first. Then you have the ability to draft lower ranked guys who perform well like a Nolan Ryan. Its definitely extremely hard now to join a league and come out with any sort of advantages.

I've voiced my opinions on the changes to no avail, as you say nobody wants to hear it and often times you are shamed for voicing your opinion. I dont agree with this but those that wanted the changes clearly are vocal and well beat you into submission.

Ultimately I just am trying to roll with the changes and figuring out how to be successful based on the current rules, but it's kind of impossible when only 21 of my leagues are active out of 50.

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You have to change your draft strategy when joining a league last... go for high AVG, OBP and speed instead of OPS and move fences all the way back to mitigate other teams power. I recently joined an ATG autoleague as the 12owner and my initial draft created a team that drafted 3rd in the supp draft. I got 3 SP in the supp draft and missed the FA frenzy after g6.. . and I am first in the league 41 games into the season. I’ve used this strategy multiple times to create very competitive teams when joining a league late. hope this helps.

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We also have to remember that Sept. - Jan. are slower months as many people are highly involved in fantasy football and the holidays. Once Spring Training begins, people get excited about baseball again and league's fill faster.

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Papa is spot on, the recent changes to the drafting process have produced different type groups of teams then before, The Big Sluggers get crappier pitching, while the slap hitters steal bases, and play defense, plus because they don't have a lot of the power hitters, get earlier supplemental picks and if they go for Big Disadvantage parks they are not crushed by the guys who can Hit, but are slow, crappy fielders, with shaky pitching.

I think the new draft procedure is making owners rethink how they will build their teams, and like many people, some are resistant to change.

All movement is relative, "perhaps it is those owners who have moved away, by standing still".. I give credit to the quote to the author Jerome Lawrence - from the Novel - Inherit the Wind.

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I'm not resistant to the change, as I am just now entering my 4th season with some teams here on PC.

I do however agree there are flaws in the current system.

I stand by my initial suggestion of merely eliminating anyone of Rank 40 or lower from the pool of players eligible for the Draft or Sup Draft, and the problem is solved.

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If you removed all the 40 and below ranked players from the player pool, wouldn’t all the remaining players tanks be adjusted up?

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12/11 DocB Random Chatter 1 0
I have an out of the box solution for this problem. Guy, could recruit some community volunteers to draft and set the line ups for the team. Just to fill the leagues. Could name the team owner as Community or some such so people know not to offer trades. It would be interesting to see how the teams do etc. Supplemental drafting could be a preset list and default to the program setting the line up if a community volunteer does not pick it up.

Just a random spot. Guy, if you want a more fleshed out proposal let me know. I do alternative solutions for organizational and structural planning in my sleep at this point in my career. Mostly, because I am old. lol

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12/11 DocB Random Chatter 1 0
I have an out of the box solution for this problem. Guy, could recruit some community volunteers to draft and set the line ups for the team. Just to fill the leagues. Could name the team owner as Community or some such so people know not to offer trades. It would be interesting to see how the teams do etc. Supplemental drafting could be a preset list and default to the program setting the line up if a community volunteer does not pick it up.

Just a random thought. Guy, if you want a more fleshed out proposal let me know. I do alternative solutions for organizational and structural planning in my sleep at this point in my career. Mostly, because I am old. lol

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Just an observation with favourite teams when players ask computer to fill rest of team why does it not pick the best players using rank
I could see new players teams missing players that are then thrown out to the free agent pool

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12/11 oasis Random Chatter 0 0
Maybe we should consider having less total leagues. If there are less than six active teams... maybe get rid of it. There may be more leagues than the current playerbase can handle.

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In the past we’ve done nearly all the things suggested in this thread. Auto Leagues are unusually slow to fill and the most obvious reason would seem to be the change to showing all the leagues. It was something people asked for, so we tried it. But it’s not a tough thing to rollback. There was logic behind the way it was before and that may have simply been the right way.

I don’t listen to the folks who complain about the draft because they never have the data to back it up. Just show me the problem and I’ll look into it. Show me these teams who are ending up with two players below 50 while your entire roster is mostly people under 50. I never get the link because it doesn’t happen. People send me links to their team and say this team sucks. And then I click around and look at every team and they all look very much the same. As a matter of fact there’s a whole crowd around here who think the draft has changed for the worse because all the teams come out too even.

For the millionth time I’ll say, I hate the fact I ever created the Quick Draft. I’d kill it in a second if it wouldn’t mean losing many users. It has always sucked. It’s not a good, fair way to play. But it was built out of necessity and now a lot of people won’t do a draft any other way.

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Again, totally agree about the quickdraft. Daily draft just seems so much better/fairer. As does non-keeper vs. keeper. I like the idea of consolidating some leagues where there aren't enough owners and they are waiting for people to join. That could be a way to eliminate some of the leagues that you don't actually want anymore without losing users. We'd end up with less of the problematic leagues. Although guys will probably still be ticked off if they have to switch leagues when they've already drafted a decent team and think they have an advantage, or where they've got 4 keepers and definitely have an advantage over a brand new owner.

These just simply aren't fair leagues. That's why I stick with daily draft non-keepers. So much fairer for everyone involved. Everyone starts out the same and has the same chance. It's a truer way to compete against the competition without starting with an unfair advantage or disadvantage. Just my 2 cents.

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While I have the best overall record with ATG Keeper Quick Draft leagues, Daily Draft Keepers are my favorite.

Yeah, everyone knows in a keeper league, the first year can be difficult, but I always look at it as being like an expansion team when you come into a keeper league new.

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Yeah, killing the quick draft would be a bad idea of epic levels.

Gbacci, I know we're a pain in the ass... Believe me, I know. But, when you feel like you want to reach through the monitor and **** slap the lot of us, just remember one thing.

While we're grumbling, we're still here. Obviously all of us love the game more than the things, in our minds, would work better if done our way. Silly humans, we're so repetitive and predictable.

Anyway, keep up the good work, and please don't get rid of the QD leagues!

With that in mind, I do appreciate when you consider what's been said on here, and I know you do.

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Zeedood I appreciate that. I know sometimes it sounds like I’m being dismissive or even angry but I take everything to heart. I always do try to look at it from the other person’s side of the story. Obviously there are some complaints that I just can’t do much about, and some of the Quick Draft stuff falls into that category.

To Von’s point, I did make a tweak already to get people better pitching options, but if you are last in a keeper, your draft isn’t going to be the most pleasant. It’s always somewhat been that way.