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In a league I am in that just started, the Marlins franchise owner chose the '98 Marlins to use Piazza. He had 18 at bats for them that year.
Nothing illegal, but I wish something could be done for AB or IP minimums for a franchise to be used. I don't think this is the spirit in which these leagues are created.
Again, nothing done wrong by the team who is using Piazza this way. I just would like this to be something we couldn't do.

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why should there be a minimum? he still played for them.

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However, the problem is Piazza didn't reach even close to the min ABs with the Marlins that season, the majority of at bats came with another team. That's the issue being brought up.

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But if the rules don't state a minimum number of at bats must be attained for a player to be used than what's the issue? do you have a suggestion of what should the minimum amount of at bats and or Innings pitched be?

I think it would be hard to decide that, also, I would think that if choosing the 1998 Marlins simply to use Mike Piazza as catcher was such an advantageous move that many owners would already do it.

There are a LOT of sharp guys on PC and they rarely miss a real bargain - that Miami team does not seem to offer a lot of value otherwise.

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World Series champs 1997 , 54-108 1998. from the penthouse to the outhouse !!

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First Dandy. I think I explained my point of view clearly enough.
Sincity, If you read again I also clearly stated that it wasn't against the rules. It also wasn't "against the rules" for the" trading trio" to do what they were doing.
I am only stating that 18 AB is an extremely low number to use for a player to qualify for a franchise in that kind of league. Maybe it should be the team a player played the most with. Or whatever the AB minimum is in any league.
Doesn't fit in with the spirit of that type of league.
Why do I bring the issue up? Because its a public forum and thats what you do.

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Why trying to disqualify somebody who is trying to compete with a Marlins lineup in those leagues....this franchise is not easy...

Rules are the same for everybody + it helps some obscur franchise to be competitve...

I am actually trying to compete with a non big redmachine lineup in that same league....

for once that league seems to have a good variety of teams and some competitve lineups. Why bringing this Marlins lineup down???

Obviously there is some usual monstreous Indians and Expos-Nationals lineups...

This 1998 season with Piazza and some relievers slip to my attention when trying to build a competitive Marlins lineup.

Sincity, I don't think you should underate REVEJB, who has a history .580 winning pct... he brought in a creative Marlins lineup that can hold his own in there... it's not an easy task...

I predict a playoff birth!

cheers.

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I wasn't trying to be difficult or to dig at you Jimgriddy, I myself never play Fave teams - just don't like the format, a matter of taste - I hate seeing Craig Biggio ground out to Craig Biggio

But I am sure this HAS to have happened before, as I said, while I have no actual knowledge, it obviously has been an option for a long time, I wonder how many dominant teams have guys with low at bats on them?
If mean if you are relegated to a season, should you not get everyone on that Season? As long as they hit the LEAGUE minimum within that Season they should be included.

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I hear you John. No offense taken.
I have been on site a little over a year and am still learning a ton.
I have just really gotten into fave leagues the last several months I never really paid attention to trades and line ups until recently.
I started to look at what the successful owners were doing. the teams, years, players. So I stumbled across the Piazza thing doing this.
I told the person that I put a post up on the forum and congratulated him on his "find".
I too hate the Biggio ground out to Biggio and asked if there was a way to limit the number of duplicate franchises in these leagues as well.
Eureka! Then I found raiderbill who has two leagues using fave teams format. All 30 teams are used and you don't have the same franchise season after season Lol.
I still like fave teams league, just think they can be tweaked a bit.

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plp512-
Once again, I didn't say it was against the rules. So "the rules are the same for everyone" is a moot point.
I guess I will explain again, it was just a simple statement expressing an opinion that 18 AB should not be ok to use the player.
I messaged the team privately and complimented them on the find before I posted here so they knew I wasn't speaking against them.
Are you saying you have never used Indians or Nats? Or any other "power house" lineup? It is the first time I have ever used the Nats. I have used all the franchises except 2.

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Ppl512, I wasn't digging on Reve, if he finds the 1998 Season a good fit for his team so be it! as you said, it's not like Florida is the easiest team to win with, in fact it's more difficult than a lot.

My all time W-L percentage isn't shabby either by the way...

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To Jim Griddy,

I did used these bolted franchises multiple times and know the multiple combinations possible on the tip of my fingers because of that...So yes I used them a lot in the past...
so I should surely not throw a blame on people using them.
The Expos-Nationals are fun to use and they have multiple possible combinations.

Now, I rather go for the underdogs, even If from time to time I still go with one of the bolted franchises... (maybe a 1 for 4 ratio)


To Sincity, I wasn't taken away your winning records,etc, you are a great competitor,every time you are in one my leagues, it means I will have to fight to win it... You also always add great argument to the forum.
I just tought you overlooked Marlins 1998 season and the lineup selection...

I also mainly think that these leagues are a great concept but some variance should be added so it levels the playing field for some franchises and help diversity of lineups used.

Note that the following is for 1965+ franchise...

Wishlist would be:

1- Abolutely No multiplying franchises...
2- Either a franchise players instalment, 2,3, or 4 extra added players to be added depending on the franchise strenght.
3-Or as an alternative to no2, adding an extra 5th year for some of the weakest franchises: (royals,marlins,white sox,etc...)
4-Maybe too risky to be a good proposal , but this can be interesting, it would be a mix of the random players and franchise mode... You enter, you get a franchise, and then you get 4 random season automatically dropped to you to build your franchise with...






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Those are some good thoughts.

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Jim, Lazer, Then it should just count as the stats he had when he played for them. if you want to use Piazza with the Marlins, you should have to use his 18 ABS

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"Jim, Lazer, Then it should just count as the stats he had when he played for them. if you want to use Piazza with the Marlins, you should have to use his 18 ABS"

But you don't have to do that with other players - so i guess maybe they are looking to set a bar which could would eliminate a lot of years for some teams - and some teams just can't afford that

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I understand how setting that standard would hurt certain teams by removing good players such as the above example. However, looking at it objectively, Piazza didn't come near the threshold for ABs with the Marlins in 1998. Thus, it doesn't make the greatest sense in the world for Piazza to be eligible for the full season with the Marlins that season. I get that he played for them in 98 so he gets the stats, but it just doesn't make the greatest sense, that's all. I see both sides of the debate, and it's just an observation. You can probably find a similar example of a player that only had a few ABs with a franchise like NYY or STL, but they still get their season since they played elsewhere to reach the 125 ABs. That's just my two cents.

The fact that it gives more of a competitive advantage to already disadvantaged franchises, I don't have a huge problem with it. It just comes down to a matter of perspective.

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The 1998 marlins were 54-108 , they had horrible pitching and other than renteria and floyd nothing special batting.If you want to take that year just to get piazza , then by all means do . you just wasted one of your seasons to get 3 players.

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not really bubbles. the history isn't that long so to use a season to get that much quality out of a catcher is pretty good. in my humble opinion of course my friend.

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you only get 4 seasons to choose from , using 1 to get 3 players hamstrings you especially with the marlins. None of their sps had a whip below 1.5