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Dusitn May added to Tommy John list


Dusitn May added to Tommy John list

I saw Dustin May pitch early this season,

and I was quite impress... I was also wondering how he could hold up these un-hittable sinkers with such velocity...

And then boom...came in as no surpsrise to me.... like so many others now, he blew is arm, now needs a Tommy John surgery after only 113 inning pitched in the bigs spread over 3 season...

These pitchers are throwing less innings per starts, and are also in need of a surgery earlier their careers...

They are interchangeable meat for all the organisation...

They are now more throwers than pitchers...

And many of them are never coming back to a great shape...

About 30% of MLB pitchers will need that surgery to hopefully save their careers.

On the other end, here are some general stats about Tommy Johns surgery.

As being seen now as a common procedure... this is quite the end for a lot of pitchers still...

Pitchers average, getting surgery per velocity group..

96mph + %37 of them are getting the surgery
92-95mph + %31 of them are getting the surgery
86-92mph + %20 of them are getting the surgery

1 out of 5 pitchers receiving the surgery will never throw again in the bigs...

1 out of 2 will throw less than 100 innings after the surgery...

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Now that May is injured that clears the way for Tony Gonsolin a personal fav of mine

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TJ surgery does have its good comeback stories though, a current one being Carlos Rodon. Dude is killing it right now. 5-0/0.58 ERA. First pitcher in MLB history to throw a no-hitter within two years of Tommy John surgery as well.

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There is a lot of great comeback stories... but there is a lot more of forgotten great pitchers and prospect that never made it back. Or if they did, the comeback failed...

a lot are just forgetting them...

Funny how somebody is happy that May is gone... great leaves room for Gonsolin !!! there is nothing great about a pitcher having is carrer jeopardized... for the benifit of another... until this pitcher probably also blows is arm.. Based on the maths... May has a 1 out of 2 chance of having is comeback failing... and Gonsolin has a 1 out 3 chance of seeing is elbow exploding probably in the next few years... and that probability is only getting a lot bigger...


From how May was pitching, it was obvious that he was putting so much stress on that elbow... and basically there is so many pitchers doing the same kind of stuff... there are basially not pitching.. they are throwing the ball...

the Tommy John surgery looks a lot more romantic that what it really is...

And unfortunately now, it becomes almost inevitable for many pitchers, at even a younger age now.... And most of us are only seeing the MLB picture...

If a lot of interest was put into concussions...

It's time to put some effort and help put in some to avoid so many pitchers to get to an almost career dead ending situation...

These guys basically are seeing their carrer cut short... they never have time to get to their big money contracts...

Basically all of this door revolving use of relief pitchers is also serving
those office nerds obsess with spin rates and all the other shennnanigans... the offices sees the relievers as interchangeable until they bust their arms... and they also avoid spending the big time bucks they use to....and get max results on short term plans

Pitchers have never thrown so few innings now... they basically throw max 5 or 6 for starters.... relievers are spreadout and max out to a 1 inning limit...

But the Tommy John surgery has never been so popular...


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Unfortunately, there is just no incentive to deviate from this cycle, so it will continue.

Why should I, a young pitcher, deviate from the throwing hard mantra, because it will get me noticed and is more likely to get me to the bigs?

Why should I, a general manager of a team or a scouting director, invest my valuable resources into a guy with an 89 mph fastball in hopes that they turn into the next Zack Greinke, when I could invest in a guy with a 97 mph fastball, and even if they don't pan out, they have a path as a reliever? Resources are scarce out here.


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I completely understand your point HTennis.

My awnser would be, health concerns for the players...and it should be brought up at one point... 35% of these guys need a reconstruction of the elbow... this should be a concern for the players...

Also, like I mention earlier.. a lot of these guys are missing on a big payday...


and it should also be for younger kids who are blowing their elbows at a very young age and are not or never will be seen in the MLB... because they are tought in a wrong matter...


And also why would you turn your back on a future Greinke, Maddux, Mussina, Glavine...

Tons of these guys would be way more reliable pitchers than what it is seen nowaday.. now you get tons of pitchers that won't last more than 1 and 1/2 season...

These guys are throwing hard.... but they are not natural at it...

Pedro could throw hard... but he was natural... it was done effortlessly...
He would zip one once in a while... but not on every pitch.

Scherzer is another one.. he throws hard , but naturally hard...

Tons of pitcher could relate to this approach, probably for 120 years history off the game.. and all of a sudden this should change from A to Z...

Now there is 14 robots on your bench throwing a 98 fastball and some kind of a pitch called a slider... they go at it for 40 innings in the bigs and then vanish with an elbow explosion... you just replace the robot and hope it last couple of innings...

Every teams are now using in the course of a season around 28-29-30 pitcherss per season... ressources are all over the place...

There should be a maximum amount of pitchers on an MLB roster...

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My two cents,

Injuries have always been a part of the game, pitchers in the 50's and 60's,70's didn't have as much elbow problems because they all suffered from labrum/shoulder injuries. Science caught up and these players shoulders are stronger then ever and that's why the elbow is failing, it's the weakest link in the chain. Unfortunately there's not a whole lot to strengthen there. So then you go back to mechanics and look at that. A kid throwing 95 healthy isn't changing his mechanics to take any stress of his elbow. So you have to wait until he blows it and then work on mechanics. If he can make the adjustments and take the stress off and keep up his velocity hell return. If not it's usually game over.

The other issue is the amount of times these kids play ball and the velocity. Pitchers are throwing harder then ever and the human elbow isn't meant to take that much force over and over again.