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Astros-heavy ‘Favorites’ AutoLeague

Astros-heavy ‘Favorites’ AutoLeague

A 1965-present favorites autoleague (#514) has 2 spots open. The strange thing about this league is that 6 (of the 10 currently drafted) teams are playing with the astros franchise. If you’re interested in such intrasquad battles then join us!

PS. I’m a proponent of fixing the favorite league ‘redrafting’ loophole, but I also think there needs to be a 1-2 franchise per league cap because the previously improbable act of being competitive with an underdog is now impossible with multiple BOS & HOU teams in a league.

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CLE too.

I'm sorry but I find the whole "loophole" argument silly. What we need is a WHIP or H9 cap for low IP SP, not an across the board IP threshold..

It just further limits teams. Or it's just plain silly. Look at Felix Hernandez. You can use 2014 with slightly better numbers. But, use 2005 with only 84 IP, and you'll have a newbie calling you out. Lmao

Adding 1990 Randy Tomlin to a PIRATES team is MORE of an advantage than using HOU or BOS ????!?!?!?! On what stratosphere ?

Maybe some of us should quit trying to win a ring with all 30 teams and just use the same 4 or 5 teams to pad our ring counts.

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If nothing else, you are making a compelling case for steroids being allowed.

Papa is right of course, having 6 Astros teams in one league is ridiculous. And Guy has already put a limit to those owners who would spam the same team over and over in multiple leagues. The temporary answer is either don't join leagues with people who just use the same team(s) to build up wins and rings so they can bask in their own glory, or take their asses down with your non stud team like you know you can do. They are all valid comments, except the one that says cheating the system is ok to compete with the better teams. A better solution is asking for it to be allowed, like Jay said with could happen with certain stat conditions.

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I agree with Yankee and Papad. The fav. teams auto leagues are broken in different ways. The rules can be circumvented and there are too many of the same team to even be fun. Seriously, who cares if Craig Biggio beats out himself x4 for the All-star game? Or if Verlander beats Verlander for the cy-young? (same year and team).

My protest is to create a junk team with the worst players from the astros. You see fellas, I know I can pick the best years and best players. I don't need to pad my record by choosing a weak division or choosing my team based on teams in that division.

I'm happy to lose every game and drop top players to make a point. The favorite teams leagues need major fixing. Guy, please listen to Yankee, Papad and I and make some of these changes. Lets make PC great again.

To reiterate - the innings loophole should be fixed for SP.
Additionally, I propose Astros should be limited to 3 years.

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Favorite Team Auto Leagues broken? I agree.

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I accept the Astros challenge. Have entered my favorive modern Cubs team combo and will send all 6 Houston teams home crying !!! You can copy and paste these words so that I can eat them later ;)

- The Sheik

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No, Yankee, making a case for steroids would be trying to justify a 22 IP SP with a 3.8 H9.

Stating that turning a SP with a 7.0 H9 into a RP is the best move because he should have pitched 8 more innings that year is just plain well, ridiculous. And arbitrary at that. Why 85 IP ?

Stating that at least a third of teams are at a disadvantage is fact. You're in the BOTB's with us. I love what Bill and Joe are doing, love that they ask for input, its a step in the right direction.

Yes, theres many of us who do more with less. And that's fine. But ts time to start talking about how to fix things.. One franchise per league has already been shot down by Guy. But limiting HOU or BOS or CLE to 3 seasons would help.

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I think I will stick to the custom leagues for the most part. There are good ideas in auto-leagues favs but the execution could use some (major) work. If anyone knows of any more custom fav. teams leagues I am all for it (joined 1 of those leagues recently).

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Not every steroid user became a stud.

BOTB is meant to even things out. But auto fav teams leagues aren’t. I played a bunch being weaker teams like Marlins, Rays, trying to beat the stronger teams, that was fun for me. You play a ton more so I’m not comparing experiences.

On that note, clearly 85 is an arbitrary number. He could’ve made it 100, or 80, or 50. I really wasn’t trying to make any point about players who came close to 85. The ones I saw being used were under 50. My point was a rule was intentionally being broken, it doesn’t even matter why. Giving the reason doesn’t justify it. It’s up to Guy now whether he wants to change it or just block the loophole.

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Part of the challenge here is that just continually reducing franchises to 3 years instead of four is a patch on a broken dam. The Astros only recently became a problem in the modern leagues. But that could keep happening with any team. (Webmaster dreams of a day White Sox minor league system produces such amazing studs that 11 of 12 teams in most Fav Teams Leagues are White Sox.... what? oh? sorry, back to reality...)

Here's what I know for sure: you can't just expand the number of years allowed for each franchise because it ultimately will result in the same problem. And you can't limit the number of dupe franchises because the leagues will never fill - people will wait for a new one to open so they can pounce on the Astros or Phillies or whatever and then everyone will be pissed they can't have the Astros and just not join. This 100% true, trust me on this.

BUT - there could be a workable combination of the above. For example, if you either increased or decreased the number of years allowed in such a way that it made more franchises competitive, people might not care so much that one particular franchise was taken.

Note, it's super easy for me to reduce years, but it's going to take more development effort to allow for more years. That said, if we were to restrict Fav Teams to one franchise per league, what would the magic number be that would entice you still want to join the league?

For example, if every franchise was limited to only 2 years, would that make everyone more competitive, or result in the same issue?

Likewise, if everyone was allowed say 6 years, what impact would that have?

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I like the questions you are asking G.

Expanding or contracting years sounds like a nice workaround. Being able to pick more than 4 years would be fun. Everything could be reevaluated after each season. A new year can improve the landscape for some teams.

The 'if you build it, they will come' moniker may ring true here. The more fun, engaging, competitive and realistic, the more people will want to play.

6 Astros teams in a 12 team league sounds like a custom league gone wrong, or a bug in the system, not a legit thing. Likewise there is probably at least 2-3 teams that are almost identical.

Sooo, if someone misses out on the Cubbies, well maybe there can be some kind of lottery where people can play their fav. team sometimes.

But every time? Nah. Doesn't that get old? Maybe if they never use the same year twice? Or same year combination? Now that would be an interesting wrinkle.

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You would be surprised. A lot of people just play the same combo over and over. I don’t get how that’s fun but people are strange. :)

I’d love to hear from Fav Teams vets on this topic.

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Fun part of these leagues is the diversity or possible combo's , trying To get underachieving teams competitive, playing with players with under used seasons,etc...

You Will bite the dust quite often, since only couple of franchise are overly dominant and many outstanding users are competing in the same leagues. If some prefer to be the Montgomery Burns, others may feel like being the Rocky Balboa...

Obviously, limiting the team duplication to 2 within the same leagues looks reasonable.

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While I don't believe fave teams can be "fixed" (i.e. make most teams viable), I do think a change is needed, to reinvigorate owners (myself included) who can just copy/paste a team they have saved on their computer and win 98 games.

I'm for "all of the above" when it comes to possible solutions.

Limit seasons to 2? Sure. Let people choose 6, of 8, or even 10 seasons? Why not? Limit the number of franchises per league to 2? Works for me.

Why have a one-size-fits-all solution? I'd love to see a greater variety of fave teams leagues, each version requiring different team-building strategies.

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I think allowing the following franchises to have more seasons is a better solution than adding BOS, HOU, CLE to the list of 3yr restricted teams. This is a better solution, although more coding work, because it should have a longer lasting effect. I suspect that if we could field a team of 25 players from 6+ seasons then they could actually compete with the other dominant teams and if combined with a league cap (of say 2) of the same franchises then it would lead to more team diversity in a league... more variation and more fun. These changes would reinspire people to learn about historical players who had great seasons and allow the really cool sim that Guy built to create unexpected results which is the hallmark of baseball and why we all visit this page soo very often!

franchises that need more than 4yrs (maybe 6+) in a 1965-present autoleague: white sox, reds, royals, marlins, rays, padres, blue jays

I’m sure others will argue for other franchises to be included in the expanded year category, but I’ve played thousands of games in the 1965present leagues and these would be my pick for these leagues. Thanks for considering this request.

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How about being able to pick 5 extra players outside of the 4 selected years .

Kind of franchise tag players

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Having also played my fair share and been fairly successful, I'd say take the Reds off that list, add the Pirates. They're in the Blue Jays (aside from Clemens) category of just not any truly dominant pitching seasons in 65-present. 2017-2018 took Milwaukee off the list.

I'd also allow SF to have a 4th year back. They won't dominate like they used to.

I'd also say at least discuss Colorado. They have alot of great hitting seasons, like the Rays do pitching seasons. But they still have the weakest possible rotation combinations of any of the 30 teams thanks to Coors Field. 2018 helped their bullpen immensely, and Marquez and Freeland give them two more okay SP seasons to chops from. But when you're COL, you're ALWAYS looking for that ace and another decent SP. Just like when you're Tampa, you don't always want to build with 2007 just to get 1.000 OPS Carlos Pena.

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My point though, is I'd prefer to end the game of guessing how many years each franchise needs. If it takes six to be competitive, then give everyone six, and only allow one of each franchise. That's still going to make it tough for the teams you have listed, my question is does it solve the problem or just make it worse?

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A Custom League can easily beta test a 12-team Fave Teams league with six seasons per franchise.

A Custom League can easily beta test any method of Fave Teams proposed in this thread.

In beta, it would not be about who wins or loses, as much as: Do the teams look competitive going into a season? If the NYY's (or HOU or CLE or TOR) six seasons make them a huge favorite, then we have an answer.

All it would take is a hero willing to set up a Custom League as a beta test ground, and then 4 or 12 more heroes to set up 12 Fave Teams for the beta test to be worthwhile.

I have a Custom League available, and I know exactly how to do it. I just don't presently care enough to do it myself... but I'd assist someone who does care enough.

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If having different # of years for franchises is off the table, then the biggest impact to parity would be a duplication cap. I can build a rays team that is competitive enough to deal with one (HOU, BOS, CLE, NYY, STL, SFG) team, but facing multiple versions of them is when it just becomes too much. My two cents.

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If have to agree there.

An average Fave Tm league now ('65-'18) is like 3 Houstons, 2 Clevelands, 2 Bostons, 1 or 2 Yankees, an LA Dodgers, and two teams trying something with a "lesser franchise".

Nobody is asking for cupcake competition. Just for the Rays, Royals, Marlins, Blue Jays, etc to have a fighting chance.

Also, I do believe a solution to the loophole is some sort of sliding scale. Example:

SP with below 40 IP must still become RP.
SP with 41-60 IP must have a WHIP higher than 1.00
SP with 61-75IP must have a WHIP higher than 0.95
SP with 76-85IP must have a WHIP higher than 0.90

That way the "super lower IP" guys aren't human cheat codes, (30IP guys with 4.5 H/9 types) and some of these teams screwed hardest by the arbitrary 85 get just the equalizer they need to be.

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The franchise limit would definitely benefit owners who stay to redraft. Theyd have first crack at the franchise.

And may I add, giving every franchise the same number of years seems problematic too, six Yankee seasons still makes a mockery of six Tampa seasons. Giving Houston six seasons just lets them add J.R. Richard and Roger Clemens or Roy Oswalt. Tampa getting Snell, the best Price, Archer, Shieds seasons still isn't close to "even". Six Blue Jays seasons still won't equal six Boston's.

I agree that adding/subtracting years from teams is a temporary band-aid. Because the landscape can change in a season or two...but its a step in the right direction in acknowledging that all franchises are not created equal.

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Jay I think you answered the question about more leagues and that makes sense. Adding years only makes the already good teams better. Reducing years would probably help level the field, but I can only imagine the uproar if I cut back the years, and I also see how that would be less fun.

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Yeah I just joined an 1871-2018 league and my 86-02-16-18 Red Sox were the highest power rated team of the 12 ! If that doesn't tell us something right there...

What if we poll all frequent Favorite Teams participants, get a "universally agreed upon list of the bottom 10 teams". Have us all sign off on it, and allow those franchises up to 3 "Franchise Players".

For example, if I'm TB, it allows me to have their only 1.000 OPS hitter in their history, Carlos Pena, without having to choose 2007 and 'waste a year'..

The sliding scale for SP IP/WHIP ?

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I am all for additional franchise players, all teams could get some, weaker teams could get 5 additional franchise players, better teams maybe 3.... This would change the dynamic ...