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Matt Carpenter

Has anyone else seen his stat lines in Best of 2022 leagues? I think we finally found our Matt Olson 2.0 😂

Hell, there's one instance where he has over 50 HRs..... IN 76 GAMES

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He almost eclipses Judge !!! A beast of a card.

- The Sheik

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Yeah the only league I'm in I have both Judge AND Carpenter, and while Judge has been phenomenal, Carpenter has been otherworldly!

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11/15 Dark Random Chatter 0 1
I guess this means we will be seeing a LOT of NYY in the Favorite Leagues

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As a Yanks fan myself, I'm not sure how to feel about that... Should I be happy that the Yanks getting some more love, or be sad that I'll have to contend with them as an opponent much more? 🤣

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I thought Matt Olsen as soon as I saw the stat line.

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I feel like this is one of the higher priority fixes in the baseball sim. The idea that Dusty Rhodes and Matt Olson and Matt Carpenter (or name your favorite PC overachiever) can be Babe Ruth for a season is kind of a bummer for guys that actually did it for a whole season. The Judge/Carpenter comp is perfect because in PC Carpenter is more valuable and that lessens Judge's amazing season. Same goes for Jacob deGrom throwing 250 innings with a 0.55 WHIP. It lessens the value of players that actually threw that many innings. Right now it's a game of pure ratios and 125 at bats of 1.100 OPS is the same as 600 at bats of 1.100 OPS. And same for pitchers - it doesn't matter if you threw 85 innings or 500 - all that matters are the ratios and Stamina.

I don't know the answer - it probably involves fetching compiled stats and starting to penalize players as they go 10%, 20%, 30%, etc. past their actual games played or innings pitched. But I think it would be a great fix and add strategy to how you use the low at bat, low ip studs. And in turn would make the guys that grind through full seasons more valuable.

Curious about others thoughts on it.

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I get where you are coming from. But I also think that penalizing a player just because they had an amazing 50 ish games as opposed to 150, is unfair. The sim, SIMULATES the season. Carpenter had an incredible 47 games. Obviously, we don't know what would have happened the rest of the way, irl and he certainly wouldn't have put up a 1.100 OPS season over 162 irl, (I think). But the sim cuts through the conditions of a real season (injuries, suspensions, hot streaks, cold streaks, etc.) and just relies on numbers to play out the season. I like that. And I don't think it takes the value of a season like Judge's down, it just makes Carpenter's season more valuable than it was before. Judge still has the same value, he just doesn't have the same value as Carpenter.

I could be completely wrong here, but that's just my take.

-Epitome31

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11/16 mcvn4 Random Chatter 0 0
well i think the issue is that a guy like carpenter only played 47 games because of injuries, so one solution would be to just let him play appx 1/3 of the season.

i do like krtyler's idea of letting them accumulate 100% of their stats through the amount of real games played, but then having a significant penalty for games above that

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Carpenter stat line through 80 games in a FAV team league

.314 BA .403 OBP .880 SLG 1.283 OPS 50 HR 101 RBI

On pace for 200+ RBI in a park with NO boost

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One solution might be to set a minimum threshold of ABs/IPs, and have all ratios for players below that threshold calculated using that number as the denominator. So as an an example, if 400 ABs is the minimum, any player under 400 ABs would have their Avg/Obp/OPS recalculated using 400 ABs as the denominator rather than their actual ABs (while players above that threshold would just keep their actual stats). Yes, that would apply a major penalty to guys like Carpenter, Olson, etc. But most guys who have an insane month don’t replicate it over a full season, and many of them turn out to be flat out bad when given a full season (i.e. Shane Spencer, Aristedes Aquino). And a guy like Anthony Rizzo who had a good but not spectacular season was a lot more valuable to their team over a full season than 100 ABs of Matt Carpenter.

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I personally think the solution is to use the endurance rating to force a cap on ABs give or take say 10%. You would have to draft with this in mind or end up picking up a lot of scrub free agents when a guy like Carpenter gets "injured".

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I don't think a solution is required - to me, it's one of the wonderful quirks of PC !!

- The Sheik

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That’s the same answer Guy has given multiple times. Yes of course if they did it half a season or less it’s not realistic for them to do it a whole season, but that’s the fun of the sim (for some). Force a guy who only had 100 AB to only have 100 AB? Well that’s just replaying the season the exact way it happened already, which obviously some want.

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I like the quirks of PC too - but each time those quirks have been addressed, it's become a better game for me. Like DWar changes so you Lou Gehrig is no longer a viable option at shortstop. Or the changes away from IP - H as a barometer for great pitchers (which overvalued guys with tons of innings). And both of those changes opened my eyes to the value of other players - which has been fun.

This is the same thing for me. And I'm definitely not advocating for not allowing Carpenter to go over 128 at bats - or deGrom to go over 92 innings - just to apply a penalty at some point (like it does for players out of position or over their pitch count or that are tired). That could bring some great strategy around keeping those guys fresh for the playoffs or a big series.

I think it would be really strange to join PC as a new user and find out that the most valuable player from 2022 is Matt Carpenter - which he is!
Here are his current numbers from Compare Across Leagues in 2022 leagues vs Judge
Carpenter 2859 AB, 1.213 OPS, 390 HR -17 D 1.000 Field%
Judge 2963 AB, 0.963 OPS, 245 HR 0 D 1.000 Field%

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I have advocated for something to address this for quite a while, and it doesn't have to be the Entirety of Pennant Chase either, it would be up to the individual League Commissioners,

I would not cap it at at bats, but Games Played by the way, then endurance would be games played and not consecutive, I also would make a day as a DH count toward Games played

I see the fun of letting somebody have an enormous year, but the sad fact is that by the nature of the SIM he is always going to have a crazy good year and that's unreasonable in my opinion, but Guy has said it would take a major overhaul of the SIM and I don't think it will ever happen honestly, not a dig, but that's my gut feeling

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Damn I'll admit, I never expected this to start such an extensive conversation on the topic lol

But I actually agree. An adjustment of some sort really SHOULD be considered, at the very least...

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I think some kind of changes would be better.

Another one would be figuring out how to make players like Hank Aaron and Willie Mays great. Or Lefty Grove and Bob Feller etc. Players that had top tier Hall of Fame careers but not that one season that stands out among the rest.

At least ATG would be more fun with these players involved. I would at least like to get rid of the statistical aberrations that are not all time great players. The recent 100 Defense rated players are a prime example of ones that ought to be booted.

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If you want restricted usage, play Strat-O-Matic !! I play both SOM and PC and enjoy them both.

- The Sheik

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I'm coming around to the idea of changing some things...

https://www.pennantchase.com/lgPlay..

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I enjoy SOM too, though have not been on it in a while. I think this Sim is pretty good. My main quibble is the construction of ATG quick league. Why are players like Rey Quinones and Andrelton Simmons being added? Were they All Time Greats? Not even sure Jacob DeGrom or Blake Snell types ought to be in ATG.


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I think that 1, it's all time great seasons. Also, Simmons is an All Time great defender. One of the best defenders we've ever seen in history.

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I may create a 162 game average league and that might allow for the true greats to be greats, but PC has always been about the best single seasons. Adding some of the best defensive seasons has been heavily requested and in my opinion it adds some depth and strategy to those leagues rather than it being same ol same ol.

I see we have another Matt problem. As you can see in this thread, the feedback has always been mixed, some people love that the stats are not adjusted or hindered, and others dislike it. If I were building the engine all over again today I would probably do it different. Making it an option for custom leagues makes sense. I also think some sort of middle ground for auto leagues could be helpful.

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Epitome I think that may actually be the version of Carpenter in question that I referenced in my initial post, as I do remember seeing a 2022 league with Carpenter in the compare across other leagues tab that has the kind of otherworldly numbers
that this version of Carpenter has (50+ HRs in less than half a season at the time I made that post)

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I am the owner of that particular Carpenter and I also have Judge in that league too. They are 1 and 2 in the MVP and in home runs. Through 95 games, Carpenter has 60 homers and Judge has 35. They're on pace for 102 and 60 respectively.

I can see both sides on this issue. Once you learn how the sim works, players like Carpenter just become part of the game and you hope you get them in the draft. If you are looking for realism then watching a player with only 128 at bats, parlay those rate stats into historic seasons must be frustrating. One possible solution is to use endurance in some way in auto leagues so that you wouldn't be able to start a player like Carpenter every day.

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11/21 ayj88 Random Chatter 0 0
i thoroughly enjoy the rediculous statlines. it's fun to see awesome statlines, there are plenty of 162 game players who hit .400 who don't translate to PC sim.

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No one has hit .400 since Ted Williams in 1941 - I'm curious where these " Lot's of 400 Hitters hitting in 162 games are coming from, if your response is 1890-1915 you are spot on - besides that it simply does not happen anymore.

I agree that a ridiculous, over the top Season once in a while is entertaining, but the fact that it is NOT a once in a great while thing but season in and season out makes it distasteful and frankly offensive in my opinion , it diminishes everything that actual players really accomplished over a long season, with nagging injuries, and such and hands the keys to the kingdom to a guy who wouldn't even qualify for an award due to insufficient at bats.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think it's BAD as it stands - get rid of the MVP AWARD - just rename it the Carpenter/Olsen Award

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I think Fire is the main reason for the ridiculous stat lines. They’d still be good without fire, but not 75-100 HR good.

Guy, have you ever thought about having some auto leagues where fire isn’t used?

In the Career stats custom League, there’s no fire. I find it a fun variation, as high average guys with no power and lower than 9 speed are actually valuable offensive players! And low whip SP with low K are also useful. I think that can be a lot of fun.

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I'm interested in a career stats custom league with no fire

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I'll repeat what I've said many times about Auto Leagues, it's improbable to support so many different permutations of leagues, not to mention the general confusion it would cause people. Custom leagues is really where uniqueness comes into play.

That said, I could see the basic Auto League configuration changing at some point. I didn't put EN into Auto Leagues because it would have been a large change, but something like that (even something as simple as turning that on for Auto Leagues) would change the value of those players at least slightly. They'd either not play as many games, or, if someone left them in they'd be playing with worse stats.

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But if someone used them as a DH their value would not change Guy because DH doesn't count as a game played toward endurance, you would need to eliminate that value as well

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I'd personally be open to the idea of adding Endurance to auto leagues. If nothing else it'd make it be more in line with how most custom leagues commissioners run their leagues in that regard...

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I think a lot of the push back against making this change is that an awful lot of people view the SIM like Ron Popiel's Celebrity Oven " Set it and Forget it" they don't want to invest the time to check their lineups every day and in fairness some people have like 30 teams or more.

I know there is a setting to rest tired players but if you get injuries that can leave you with a bad situation unless you are managing your teams

But you can't have a guy who had 150 At bats play every inning of every game and claim the SIM is realistic - there's a reason they only had 150 AB - and it's usually because they got hurt otherwise they would have continued their season and their stats would have regressed more toward the norm.

IF you took the greatest of all time players based on CAREER statistics only, not best season, I bet about 40 % of the guys in current ATG's would not make the cut.

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I always love to take Ken Phelps. ( Bill James, advanced stats poster boy ) and use him in best of 80's.

As a stats junkie, I wan't to use Ken Phelps for 162 games and show how all the MLB GM's of the 1980's were wrong...

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To be fair though Sin, I have almost 30 auto league teams myself and I still think it could be a good change. But that's just me...

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SCM's point is the other reason - auto leagues have a lot of hands off owners, that's just the nature of auto leagues, so it helps keep the league competitive to not have EN be used... that said, maybe something more focused on these edge cases...

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What about just upping the minimum PA to 300? Maybe that wouldn’t work for single season leagues, but it should be fine for larger pools.

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Carpenter in 128 AB = 2,4 WAR
Rizzo in 468 AB = 2,3 WAR

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One question, how is EN determined? If Carpenter had an EN of 1, he would still play in almost twice the games he did in real life. How does a 40+ game player get an EN of 4?

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4 is the lowest that PC gives. I think it’s anything below 55 games or so.

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I know that, but why? Why does one who played in roughly 25% of games become eligible to play in 80% in leagues that use EN?