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Would love trade advice

10 games into a season, ALL TIME GREATS LG, I've been offered RP) K. Jansen (no drop), SP) Clemens, OF) R. Henderson, and C) C.. Meyers, for L. Tiant ( no drop), OF) E Combs, and RP) Benitez.
I do have Grienke, Scott, and King Felix for worthy starters, and an already deep pen which could become insane with Jansen. I would be acquiring a good defensive catcher and a dependable, fast 4th OF'er. Any opinions please?
https://www.pennantchase.com/lgHome..

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Tiant to Clemens is too much of a downgrade. Not a trade you should make, especially in a keeper league, where you could lock down Tiant for multiple seasons.

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Keeper league? DO NOT MAKE THAT DEAL! Keep Tiant and sign him! You really can't get much better than him... Whenever he's available during a draft I always make sure to grab him if his name pops up on my screen, guaranteed

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THANKS! Now I'm being offered Harper, Clemens for Grienke.
Harper would be a HUGE help offensively, and still having Tiant, Scott, a decent Hernandez and Clemens, an improved offense with Harper makes it intriguing.

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Tiant is simply one of the best SP in the league....Clemens is just a 4th or 5th starter, pitching is way more valuable than hitters in this game....whatever Harper would bring offensively is marginal vs what Tiant is bringing... Clemens brings nothing to the table...Clemens is a filler, and Harper is nothing special....Tiant is special...

You should use compare across league feature on each of the player cards , to see how each one of them are performing on same league type running through the site....

If there is one move to be done here is to stop playing Al Rosen out of position and play him at 3b instead of SS,,removing your 8th hitting .890 field pct 3b man with negative dwar and go get Cal Ripken with is +3,4 dwar to play SS...nevermind offense out of your 8th or 9th hitter...solid D and good pitching is what you should look for here, and it would cost you nothing...

Keeping Tiant is a no brainer...

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Gotta be nycubsfan - loves to make "quantity for quality" trade offers;-) You can never improve your team by trading your best players.

- The Sheik

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As a person who has played fantasy sports for 25+ years, we call this, trading a quarter for a dime and 2 nickels

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Indeed, Sheik - he's tried to grab numerous SPs from me using that method.

Can't blame him for trying. It's actually refreshing to get a trade offer in auto leagues.

And yes, Tiant is the man. Number three all time in auto league Cy Young wins. Don't part with him!

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I don't blame him for trying either, but it gets really tiresome to get trade offers that I've ALREADY TURNED DOWN - sometimes multiple times !!! I even took the time to politely point out that I don't trade elite players for multiple run-of-the-mill players. Now I just try to not join leagues that he's in.

- The Sheik

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Lol.....hes always after my SPs. As SOON as trades are open after game 6, I expect his offers. He tried to get Verlander with T. Seaver, Appling, and a few others. And he always insists his offers are fair.

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I appreciate that. I like tinkering and find getting trade offers makes game even more interesting. Some like to spread false statements. I offered another player Joss, Seaver, Appling and Heilmann for Verlander. To me that is fair offer better than his offer of Jansen, Henderson for Arrieta, Mantle & Doolittle

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Sorry it was not me Sheikh.

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Yeah, keep those offers coming, cubsfan. I'll likely reject them all, but as they say about the lottery, "you can't win if you don't play." :)

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If you have 3 weak spots and can fill them by giving up your player, it can be worth it

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" I offered another player Joss, Seaver, Appling and Heilmann for Verlander. " Verlander's '19 season is probably the best in ATG. The afore mentioned players offered for him are all mediocre guys in ATG. You can't win by "filling holes" with mediocre players - if you do, guess what - you have a mediocre team.
I'm just sayin' - think before you trade. Oh, and nycubsfan, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was picking on you - I get a little annoyed by the constant offers sometimes, but that's why there's a Decline button ;-)

Peace, Out - The Sheik

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Do what you feel is best for your team? The trade option is there for a reason. If it not there would the game be as much fun, for me no. Good luck & have fun!

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It's all good. I respect your opinion(s) as for some others, you know what they say about opinions.

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WOW, you must be a piece of work Cubsfan,

the guy who somewhat agreed with you by saying " if you multiple have weak spots you can fill them" you mock for having no rings??




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the only good player you would get is jensen and you would lose one of the top 5 starters in all time leagues. you would be robbed

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Here's good trade advice, NEVER accept an initial offer, everybody tries to get what they want for as little as possible, if you are approached for a player then the other owner covets them, and are willing to part with more than they are offering, either they pay till it hurts or they get squat

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Eh, I'll agree to a point. How you get past this sort problem is building a solid reputation. Theres plenty of owners here to trade with that yiu don't need to play "head games". They're going to only send fair, equitable offers that helps both teams. Many pride themselves on being smart, shrewd, sure..but I can name at least 40, 50 off the top of my head that wouldn't send a garbage offer, EVER. Once you've been around awhile, you learn who you can rely on, and who to stay away from.

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I don't mean all first offers are garbage Jay, in fact, most good owners don't do that because they don't want to look like they are trying to take advantage of someone else, who then WON'T trade with them. BUT usually you can get a little more than they are asking, might mean a 2 for 2 trade or something, but if the offer is fairly equitable, no harm no foul - I am not a big trader myself, I usually find it hard to make equally beneficial trades - I don't like the guys who try to abuse lesser owners though, then they pat themselves on the back cause they screwed somebody.

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12/10 jamin Random Chatter 1 0
I think the best thing a new player can do to evaluate a trade... is to do exactly what you did!!! Post in on the message boards!!! There's some really good owners who gave you some great advice. If all the posts tell you it's a bad trade, then it's a bad trade. If message boards are split 50/50, it's probably fair. LOL.

One thing you could also do is check out a few daily drafts like this one for All-time greats (or whichever league you are interested in):

https://www.pennantchase.com/lgSupp..
I took Tiant in the second round; Harper went in the 8th round to a really smart owner. If you find that trend in some other leagues, then you can conclude that Tiant is probably worth more in a trade than Harper. Some owners do better than others -- see which players they took. That should bring u up to speed pretty quickly on the relative values of the players.

Good luck!!!

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C'mon Sincity, you're going to ruin my trade acceptance rate!!

I think you can make a trade with about any team in any league that is a win-win. But I think too many owners try to make a trade that is a "home run" win for them, which is almost always a ripoff for the other team.

I target a high trade-acceptance rate. To do that, I shoot for marginal improvements and same positions. Doesn't always work like that, but makes it much easier for the other owner to accept when the positions are the same.

An easy starting point is that if you compare two teams, there is almost always a backup on one team that would start for the other team. If a team's backup 3B would start for me, I add him to the trade as well as a 3B from my team, and then I start my message... "You take a downgrade at backup 3B...."

And depending on how steep that dropoff is, I offer some sort of upgrade at a different position. (And again, add a worse player from their team at the same position... even if it's a player I'll cut.) ".... but you upgrade your starting 1B AND your bench 1B."

I can have that trade accepted 90% of the time, and the margins are so small on both sides that any counter would likely be lopsided.

And while I'll never have a "home run" trade... I'll never waste time proposing one, either. Instead, I'll propose 10 win-win trades, 9 will be accepted... and combined, I'll have an improvement equal to one home-run trade.

So back to the OP.... my advice when evaluating a trade is to start a counter offer... and add players to the trade that will balance out the positions... and THEN see if it works for you. It's much easier to evaluate that way. "Small upgrade my top RP, Upgrade my bench at 2B. Big downgrade my starter at SP, downgrade my bench at 3B," or whatever it comes to.

Without going line by line through the lineups and rosters, my first guess is along the lines of some others here... your SP rotation will take a hit from one-of-the-best to a marginal FA-type player. And you won't make that up anywhere else in the trade... in the best case, it looks like your starting lineup would get worse while your bench gets better.

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See I look at trades a little differently, if my back up player would result in a big upgrade at his position to the guy offering the trade, then the guy I'm trading with has to offer me something that represents a significant upgrade at a position for me, otherwise, its a bad trade for me.

Sometimes having the two best players at a position is a huge advantage because the mere fact I have both of those players mean I am hamstringing the rest of the League, why would I give up that advantage without getting a big benefit?

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12/10 super Random Chatter 0 0
I agree, Sin. That high-rank guy on my bench might do little besides pinch-hit, but at least he's not starting for my competition.

Same mindset with waiver claims. By that time, you probably have your team mostly set, but it's still wise to remove options for other owners.

Increase your own opportunities, decrease everyone else's!

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I agree, Sin.

If I'm offering a HUGE upgrade to the other team, I'll ask for much more in return. I just don't see that very often... I rarely will have anywhere close to the top 2 options at any position, because it looks like lost opportunity cost to me... I want to flip that #2 for a big upgrade elsewhere.

As for helping another team... I really don't like trading in my division, and prefer trading to the other league. If we both have a big (or little upgrade) there's 100% chance it helps me... and assuming the other team is a playoff team, there's only a 25% I see them in the World Series where it will be used against me. :)

The teams I like to trade with most are those on the playoff bubble in the other league. They're motivated, but there's a 50% chance they win the WC and then it's a lower chance they make the World Series to hurt me later with my own players. But it's a 100% chance my team gets better.

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Sincity, look closer not the person I was talking about.

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You would have to be more precise about what you are talking about, I really don’t know what your point is, not a jab, but if you have a specific point I have no idea what it is

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Aww ...so u throw it my face I have no rings after playing for 6 months??. Wow...you're too smart for me. You're so impressive man.....i bow to your cheating, superior ways of playing.
Rings....lol. So exactly how.much real life money, or repect has those rings earned you, child?

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Damn a simple question turned pretty heated between a few guys...

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I told him straight up privately ......i didn't want a war, just wanted him to know I was on to the ridiculous offers that always had him acquiring somebody else's top 3 SP, in exchange for a lesser SP, combined with somewhat talent of other positions, that would NEVER equal what he was trying to STEAL from you. And then miraculously and suspiciously, other owners acknowledged the same. He got bent that he was FINALLY called out, but to my embarrassment, as he stated, I have not won a ring from the first 8 TEAMS I've owned.

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Sanfranman for the record, back about a decade ago, my first ring came in at least 3 TIMES that number of teams, perhaps even more than that... You're not alone πŸ‘

Edit: it's the ring awarded to an ATG team called Scranton Warriors, if you happen to check my user page...

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Thanks. As a man, and gentleman, I'd rather end the war, respect his competitiveness, and enjoy PC, than to bicker against an owner I'm trying to defeat.

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How can I steal ANYTHING? There is a decline button., right? You do the same thing, like how you just got Ed Walsh. I cannot force anyone to do accept my offer.

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this is exactly why trades give me anxiety. i rarely do it, and only with a few i really trust.

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I am publicly apologizing to NYCUBS for our disagreement, and wish him success.

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I am too am apologizing to Sanfranman. The game is to much fun to be arguing. I wish him nothing but success except when we playing each other!

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Would add to this that there are (unfortunately) a significant number of owners on PC who look to pounce upon someone they perceive as prey the minute they take over a team in an existing league. This attempt at exploitation of someone whom they perceive as vulnerable is by no means unusual- can't even begin to count the number of times I have taken over a club only to immediately be deluged with lopsided offers for my best player(s).

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In the immortal words of the great Rodney King: "I just want to say – you know – can we all get along? "

- The Sheik