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Maybe not a lengthy lockout


Maybe not a lengthy lockout

I am beginning to think that there will NOT be a lengthy lockout. I cannot imagine these teams signing these huge player contracts if they are expecting a lengthy lockout. A lengthy lockout, which I define as not beginning the season on time, would kill the fans interest in the sport which would lead to less revenue for owners. No way in hell they are committing 130 mil to Scherzer, 325 mil to Seager, 140 mil to Baez, 115 mill to Ray, 110 mil to Gausman, 100 mil to Buxton, and 175 mil to Semien.
I guess we will be having baseball by March 31.

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Sure seems like this is the owners trying to get more of that sweet playoff tv revenue while disguising it as trying to encourage more teams to stay competitive.

I'm really hoping the players don't accept a $180 million luxury tax threshold as a compromise for a $100 million salary floor as well.

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When a sport plays 162 games, it is very obvious who the good teams are. I agree that 7 teams out of 15 teams is too many from each league, but all leagues want that playoff revenue. Unfortunately, it will de-value having the the best regular season record. However, there will be more meaningful September games now with a bunch of average teams fighting for the 6th and 7th spots.

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The proposal has a lot of issues, but it actually incentivizes having the #1 seed more so when compared to the current system.

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What was Atlanta's record after July? Where did SF and LA finish at 162? Who was in the WS? You don't always get the best team during the regular season now. All sports have big playoffs. Playoffs are fun. Just look at it as an end of season tournament.
Just ask the 18-0 Patriots when playing the 13-6 Giants. Who were a WC and won their playoff games on the road. Including Greengay, ROTFLMAO! What a great year.

I am a hockey Bruins fan. Do you know how many times we won the presidents trophy and got bounced ? Too many!

Get your popcorn ready! NCAA will be expanding football playoffs as well.

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I don't think the best team not winning the World Series is the biggest issue with the proposed expanded playoff. The proposed playoff is just a gimmicky mess that doesn't actually solve the root problem of a good 1/3 of the league actively trying to lose.

The NFL can get away with a larger playoff field since they play roughly a tenth of the games, and the college football playoff could technically be won by one of 130 different teams so a 4 team playoff really doesn't make much sense if everyone actually has a chance (yes I know this is a pipe dream).

I personally love the playoffs how they are now and would much rather focus on taking some of these franchises that are crying about hard times and holding their feet to the fire.

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Well revenue sharing is actually working seeing teams like Miami, Texas, Detroit paying FA's.
The owners do have a proposal of a lottery to keep teams from tanking too bad like basketball.
The other issue I saw today is that of the total amount of salary paid to every MLB player, 33 players make over 50% of the total. Almost 1000 players draw a salary. That is a huge disparity.
Look at a a pitcher making 40+ million a year for perhaps 30 starts. Thats 1.3 million a start. Rarely making 7 innings.
I cant feel sorry for the players. I know the owners are billionaires, I can not relate to these players and their "struggle".

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Looking at it from far away, I understanding on a surface level why some fans blame players over owners. But I always come back to this.

If the owners were to "take less" by raising payroll, ie, they could provide higher salaries for minor leaguers, get players to free agency quicker so they aren't stuck on the minimum for three years, etc.

If the players were to "take less", ie Scherzer signs for $75 mil instead of $140 mil, that money is not going to Joe Schmoe who is a relief pitcher and rides the shuttle between MLB and AAA ten times a year. Nor is it going to help the guy who's been toiling in the minors for 8 years. It's just...not doing anything.

So that's why I don't blame players for taking expensive contracts.

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I'm not on the side of the players or the owners. If anyone actually cared about the game of baseball, they would reduce revenues across the board and reduce ticket prices so that more people could afford to go to games on a regular basis. The game would grow if it was accessible to more people to go to games. But that's just me playing left wing for Team Canada. Don't mind me. Go back to what you were doing.

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I've never understood people who chastise players for "being greedy" - as if they're horribly mistreating the kind, altruistic billionaires.

The market is the market. If a pitcher can get $175 million for throwing only 5 pitches per start, more power to them.

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This could be a long and interesting lockout. No one will make a move until they have to, which means the earliest it gets resolved is Feb 15th (appx the start of spring training), the latest would be mid June (appx around the time the whole season gets cancelled).

I hope I am wrong and it gets resolved quickly.

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The more I read about the "wants" of the players and the owners, I am against both. They both clearly don't give a damn about the fans. This is a battle of the billionaires vs. the millionaires.

They also have the inability to read the room because baseball's popularity is already dropping rapidly. A lengthy work stoppage will only turn off more fans. This sport is a regional sport as it is. As a Cleveland fan, I can tell you this fan base is already frustrated by ownership's unwillingness to spend money and the name change landed with a big, resounding THUD. Fans are not rushing out to by the horrible looking Guardians gear.

Manfred, Clark, and Boras are idiots and the ratings drop and attendance drop this year will show them how wrong they were to not come to an agreement.

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So if you're not for billionaires or millionaires, you are on the side on the players who don't make a million?

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I am generally OK with expanding the playoffs. I think the more teams that have a chance the better. The season is long and it is just better when more teams and cities are engaged.

That said, I do think they need to reward the top teams more. I would like to see them dump interleague play as well since it complicates comparing the records of teams for seeding.

I think this will be a long lockout and we will be lucky if there are any games played before June.

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I have a feeling that the players making the league minimum salary of $575,000.00 have little to no power in this process. The leaders of the union are mostly represented by Boras and they are all making significantly more than the league minimum.

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The Braves actually won 50 games from July onward. I think they peaked at the right time. Does the best team always win? I don’t know how to answer that. If you can’t carry the season all the way through October, are you really the best team? Only the best teams make the playoffs, so you face the cream of the crop every game. I don’t know if I can equate the best record with the best team.