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RIP Phil Niekro


RIP Phil Niekro

A great man, gave back a lot to the community here in North Georgia. A guy who won 318 career games on some pretty bad Braves teams through the seventies and eighties. There were three constants through those years; Phil Niekro, Dale Murphy, and Chief Knockahoma...

Those who new him said he always had a baseball story, no matter what the situation.

RIP Knucksie.

Bob Uecker: "The way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until it stops rolling and then pick it up."

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Won 121 games after the age of 40 , pitched until he was 48!! 300 plus wins 3000 plus k,s throwing 75-80 mph

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I've always had a soft spot for knuckleballers and Phil was one of the best ever. Charlie Hough had a lesser, but similar career and Hoyt Wilhelm is another guy who threw that pitch forever. Nekro was a class act.

- The Sheik

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Tom Candiotti and Wilbur Wood as well as Tim Wakefield extended their careers greatly by throwing the Knuckler, it's way less demanding on the arm and pitchers can stay throwing a lot longer due to that lack of stress.

I remember watching Wakefield pitch, and when the knuckler was Knuckling, he could make world class hitters look really bad

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i remember one time i was at a mariner game vs redsox, wakefield was pitching. he was hitting 75 mph, the scoreboard showed a kid on the concourse throwing at the fast pitch station around 85. whats even funnier is that wakefield shut the m's out that day !!!

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Others of note that threw the "Butterfly" pitch include Phil's brother Joe, the great grandaddy of knuckleballers - Eddie Cicotte, R.A. Dickey, Barney Schultz, Eddie Fisher - who was on the same staff as Wilhelm, Steve Sparks and Bobby Shantz. Only current pitchers who utilize the pitch are Steven Wright and Ryan Feierabend.

- The Sheik

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Damn did I love to see a knuckler on the mound... Always find it fun to see these hitters trying to squash a beach ball... but when a knuckleballer iss off is game, ouch can it be ugly... passed balls fest, homeruns, etc...

unfortunately for the advanced stats, there is not enough rotation on these pitches...

as a whole these pitchers are 50 / 50 lotteries on the mound... one game they are great, the next one they get clubbed...

And you can't even blame them when they have bad games... they just have to say that their pitches were flat and that's the way it is...

total career records for knucklers : 3080 W - 2901 L, .514 win pct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_..

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what i would love to see is the w/l record of teams after they faced a knuckler or even the next 2 to 3 games. it has to mess up your timing. i'll get back after i look up phil's 74 season when he went 20-13. on bbref you can see every game a pitcher pitched that season and then cross ref with the graph at the top of the page for every team. may take awhile but im intrigued. looked it up teams went 16-24 after facing him that year. Unfortunately i dont have the time to look up the other 6000 plus carreer starts by knuckleballers

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The record setting 73th homerun by Barry Bonds came off a 43mph knuckleball from Russ Springer... quite a moon shot! Honorable mention to the donkey who tries to steal 2nd base in this AB with Barry Bonds at the dish...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo1..

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have you ever seen the story of the guy that caught home run num 73 , he barely escaped with his life.Think about how feared bonds was then, intentionally walked with the bases loaded !!