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That's a suprise!


That's a suprise!

Please tell me did anyone see that coming! Jhon Means and Wade Miley earned player of the week! Miley hasn't been a big name since he played for the Astros and Means has been terrible the past few seasons!

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Record for no-hitters is 8 in 1884 - we're on a pace for 16, and that's not counting MadBums 7 inning effort. MLB is at a historic low .234 BA - prior to this season, the lowest BA was .237 in 1968 and .239 in 1888 and 1908.

- The Sheik

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This is all due to coaches not having hitters shorten their swing with two strikes. Tony Gwynn was amazing at this in the 80s & 90s. There are only 5 active players on the list of career leaders of AB/K for hitters and they are not very high on the list. 1000 players were listed:

670. Andrelton Simmons 10.04
827. Yadier Molina 8.77
873. Michael Brantley 8.38
880. Albert Pujols 8.30
969. Jose Altuve 7.79

If guys would actually go with the pitch and not try to always hit a homerun, batting averages would go up and game would be more enjoyable to watch.

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considering how much power pujols had (in his younger years) and how BAD hes been for the last 5+ seasons, that is REALLY impressive that he is still there

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Willians Astudillo (from the Twins) strikeout rate is at Tony Gwynns level.
He strikes out at 1 every 21,4 AB.

His sample size is still small, but is minor league and major league tendencies are pretty clear... he doesn't strikeout much...

He probably doesn't go too deep in pitch count either...

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Many years ago, Kurkjian had asked Gwynn which player reminded him most of himself. To Kurkjian’s surprise, Gwynn chose a young Albert Pujols. Gwynn’s logic wasn’t specifically about strikeouts—-his choice was based on Pujols’s knack for hitting the ball where it’s pitched. But it implied a contact connection, a specific approach to hitting that put the ball in play and avoided swings-and-misses.

- The Sheik

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Biggest obstacles to hitting in 2021 include:
1. Doctoring the ball to increase spin rate.
2. Almost 30% of all pitches thrown are breaking balls - this might not seem high, but it doesn't include changeups, sinkers, splitters and cutters.
3. Infield shifts are up to 36 % now.
4. The new ball has higher seams - see #2 and #3 - it also carries, on average so far, 8 feet shorter in distance.

It's easy to say "just hit it the other way", but when the baseball is coming at you at close to 100 mph and it's moving, just making contact becomes problematic. Just bunting is even difficult. I was watching a guy try to sacrifice in a game over the weekend and the pitcher threw 3 straight breaking balls!!!

As far as what to do about it, You can fix #1, #3 and #4 ,

- The Sheik

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I hear you Sheik. I understand that it is not easy with the shift, more pitchers throwing harder than ever, etc. But, I keep coming back to the approach with 2 strikes. Most hitters do not make any adjustments when they get 2 strikes. They swing the same at 0-2 as they do at 3-0. I was not taught to do that when I played. I was told to foul off a pitch that was close to the plate in hopes that you will tire the pitcher and force him to make a mistake. If guys would try this, I think that would help.

As for the shift, I can see a rule being implemented that the SS and 3B need to stay to the left of 2B and the 1B and 2B need to stay to the right of 2B.

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The shift CANT go, why are we handicapping teams? It's like saying that basketball teams can't have players above 7 feet tall, or like banning the pick n roll. Hitting is hard. That's fine! Baseball is meant to be a pitchers game, maybe the baseball is the biggest issue and that's fixable. No matter how much you tinker with the ball and hitting theory changes, it's never going to make the game easier, and people will always complain.

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Joh Means avg fastball velocity : 92,6 mph
Wade Miley avg fastball velocity : 89,6 mph

There is nothing out of the stratosphere with those fastballs...

Hitters are not adapting... they are teach to elevate and go for the hack... most of them look brain dead at the plate....not recognizing situation, etc...

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Even at my age, hitters cannot adapt to soft tossers. Im 14, i don't overpower hitters, i don't throw 80 mile per hour, but i throw a 2 seamer with plenty of break and currently im pitching to an ERA below 2. Hitters feed off of velocity and now that it's normal, it's easy for hitters to adapt. They simply elevate the ball and the velocity from the pitcher creates all the energy needed to destroy a baseball.

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I agree with you sheik except for changing #3. The saying is "hit it where they aint". No one said it was easy. Its not supposed to be easy. The game is about failure. If you hit .300 you are awesome. thats "failing" 70% of the time.
Players are like chicks and dig the long ball. So they have sold out for launch angle. Hitting it where they aint means a homer. Thy would rather have 30-40 hrs and a ,210 avg than with 20-25 with a .290 avg.
Plus more baserunners means more productive "failures". You can drive in a run with a ground ball or fly out but no one is on base.
Fun stuff to chat about.

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I would not say John Means is terrible the past few years. He made the All Star team in his rookie year in 2019. Since when is making the All Star team terrible?

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Anthony Rendon base hit in the 1st inning of game 6 WS 2 years ago was one great piece of hitting...

It set the tone for that game... not a homerun, not a double in the gap... but a groundball where there was no 2nd baseman...

They play a stupid shift, why not use it and cash in ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_z..