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Re: It's a great game ...

On the surface this idea seems extreme, but when you say it's a great game, I kind of feel like it's not as great as it used to be. Some might say it's just the "evolution of the game", but I certainly do miss the days of players with speed bunting, rather than swinging for the fences; stolen bases; and "hitting it where it's pitched" as my dad says. I do miss pitchers having more "defined" roles. And I absolutely hate the "opener" and "bullpen" game. There are way too many strikeouts.
We all see how "everybody" throws 96-100 now. It's clearly had a role in injuries to pitchers, as well as the reduction in batting averages. Batters just can't, in general, keep up with that kind of velocity. And I don't think batters will "catch up". At a certain point the human eye/brain just can't regularly make that split second decision of a ball or strike, and the movement and speed of the pitch, and it feels like we've reached it.
Also, baseball is so historically stats based. After all, it's literally how this SIM is played.
I think unless something changes we've seen the last of the 300 win career, will rarely see a 20 game winner, and the days of almost every team having at least 1 .300 hitter seem way behind us.
Maybe 200 career wins is the new 300. Maybe hitting .275 is the new .300, but I miss the continuity of being able to compare those numbers thru the decades


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I agree Dodger and Guy has said in the past that he has had thoughts about this exact subject, but the problem is that not just changing in game settings would make much difference, PC is stat based, to a degree, but it favors strikeouts and homers,

Guy would have to rewrite the algorithm, lot of work.

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This thread is about real mlb not pc baseball.

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SinCity read the article MrBubbles posted at the start of the thread. He's referring to the idea being floated in MLB about making a rule that the starting pitcher must pitch 6 innings (with some exceptions).

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The expansion of the league, minor leagues, and the growth of college baseball has a huge effect on today's game vs. the past.
There will be more expansion as well. Teams used to use only 3 starting pitchers and then 4. So more starts. Baseballs are different. Even the mound height. And also don't forget the exclusion of non-white players for decades.
The talent pool is so much richer. now Ballparks are smaller. Favors homers. Contracts are based on homers for hitters.
Society is about instant gratification. Faster internet. More entertainment options. A gazillion cable channels and streaming channels. Baseball is trying to keep up with staying relevant.
That said I personally am not in favor of a minimum 6 innings for a starter. I do like the idea of losing your DH when you pull the starter and a pitcher has to bat in the DH hole the rest of the game.

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I'm actually fine with the rule as proposed. It really wouldn't change anything, except the use of an opener. An ineffective starter would hit the 100 pitch or 4 run limit first; the 6 IP clause would almost never come into play. The only other time it might matter is a starter rehabbing from an injury who would have a really low pitch count for his first few starts. But those starts could be done in the minors.

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Stop messing with the game. Let the front offices manage and the players play. Enough already…