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Wins V. Rings


Wins V. Rings

Hey guys! For those who don't know me, I'm gordo. Been on for a while now and have an interesting topic that I'm sure will have a vibrant debate. What exactly would you prefer: Wins or Rings? I find that winning rings is hard, but it also is luck at some point, while wins show how good you are at building a team and keeping success. This is for your profile, by the way. So, I leave you with this. Would you prefer your all time win total to be amazing and rings to be not great or would you prefer having a lot of rings but mediocre record?

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12/1 bip Random Chatter 2 0
Neither :-)

I think Winning % is probably the best measure of success on PC (assuming a high number of games played).

Rings and wins can be racked up in speed leagues very easily.

W% is the testament of great skill. Look at the numbers that guys like yankeebb and mcvn4 have put up over tens of thousands of games played. Truly impressive.

Just my two cents (i am normally pretty quiet in the forum, but this was too good an opportunity to recognize these two great players).

Bip

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Well that’s sort of what i meant. Record should have been the term used, but i like winning %. For those commenting in the future, it’s now W% vs Rings! Thanks bip!

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rings show you had a good team
wins show how consistent your team was
i dont really know

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Win% by far

I like the idea of the shout out to competitors.

When I played Mid-Century Auto leagues, I looked for leagues with ClassicOs.

I play a few ATG leagues and prefer to match up vs Jamen.

Always good to test yourself against the better players. Those two fit that bill.

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Dempsey is a great player. Win % is the measure of the elite players, especially in daily draft leagues. When you get matched up with great players like Dempsey, Gus, etc. it makes it really fun.

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My thoughts,

Winning Percentage can be deceiving. I know I'm not afraid of taking on a rebuild in any custom, build up a team of solid youth to plot out a future perennial contender, but without naming names, there's also owners who only join leagues where they have a solid or stacked team to take over or initially start out with. And as far as Autos, I really only play Fave Teams, (with a couple occasional exceptions), but I've been stuck at 28 of 30 teams Ive won rings with. So as an example, running Kansas City & Milwaukee into constant Houston/Dodger/Cardinal/Indians buzzsaws is going to drop my Autos WPct a few ticks. Lol

Wins are more of a measure of longevity, or time put in.

I'll take the rings. The only point of doing anything is to try to be the best at it. The goal for any team is to win the championship, And as an owner, winning championships is the ultimate goal.

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I agree with Jay. I don't think one measure works. Total rings is a mix of longevity with being good enough to be in the playoffs enough to avoid bad luck and win some. They aren't perfect because I've had 118 win teams lose in round 1 and won titles with 93 win wild cards. While win% is certainly an important measuring stick, it also suffers from what Jay points out. You can run up your win% in auto by 1) staying in the same quick draft leagues and making sure to be among the first to draft every season, and 2) finding a team build style that works for you and using it thousands of times. By the same token, a similarly skilled manager can hurt their win percentage by 1) being willing to help fill up quick draft leagues that need just 1 or 2 guys , and 2) experimenting with different team build styles, including ones that may not work out.

One thing I have tried to do is win a title in all the different types of auto leagues. I have only 8 rings, but I have them in Dead Ball, Ruthian, Mid Century, 1970-present, ATG, Japan ATG, 1970s, and 1980s so far.

I've also tried to win with different team styles. At first I won with the traditional great SP, dWar up the middle, HR at the corners, in a big boost park. Then I decided to see if I could win with an all D team and I drafted my entire pitching staff first (except DH), and then drafted the highest dwar left at every position with no regard for hitting. First time I tried I won 95+ and got bounced in round 1. I tweaked it and won the 1980s title the next run. Then, I decided to see if I could win with an offense heavy team in a big disadvantage park. I'm always trying to find new combinations that can win, because to me it is more fun to me.

Another example of this is Jay, who has tried to win Fav Teams with every team.

All that to say, the more measures the better. I am impressed by you guys with 100s of rings. I always check to see who in the league I need to watch out for. I am impressed by you guys with .650 career winning percentages. I am impressed by those who seem to make the playoffs in every league, no matter the record or end result in the playoffs. I am impressed by those of you who win in all different types of leagues. I am impressed by those who use multiple styles to win.

There's lots of impressive owners here that I love playing against. But there is no one indicator that shows who is best.

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Going against legends like Jay and Yankeebb reminds me of when old Oilers coach Bum Phillips gave Don Shula the ultimate praise: “He could take his’ens and beat your’ens, then take your’ens and beat his’ens.” Always fun to challenge the best. I also agree with Jay’s points.

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12/2 bip Random Chatter 0 0
Totally agree with your point about taking on the rebuilds jay. They are fun in their own way. My Lodi Padres in the CA league are gonna be stuck in the .300s and .400s for W% for probably another 10 seasons, but trying to turn them into some kind of eventual competitor is a fun challenge...

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Thats a tough comparison. Bad luck can cost you rings in the playoffs. That I know personally. lol.
I would look at win % overall Most of the leagues I've joined is with a subpar team. It can take several years to take over a team and get it above 50%. This hurts your over all win %.
Auto leagues I look at with a grain of salt. There are many players who pad their stats with the same top franchises in favorite leagues season after season. I have played in a bunch of these leagues and only have 3 or 4 more franchises to go and have played them all. This is not conducive to a great overall win %.
So I guess its all about what your priority is while playing. Having fun. Winning a lot of games. Winning rings. Those latter 2 are fun things, lol. but how you achieve them is the thing.
For me then I guess its having a good time enjoying all the types of games playing with all types of players. Nostalgia plays a big role for me. At 57 I have some great baseball memories and a lot of these leagues bring me back there.
My tombstone wont have anything about my PC record or # of rings on it so I guess that answers it for me. LOL. Neither.
Sorry for the long treatise. I have a little covid fog still and sometimes don't know when to land the plane. Ha!

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Jim, I love your closing comments. Over the last year, I am pretty sure if we were ever to meet, it would be on very good terms. If you were ever to attend a Phllies game, let me know.

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I attended a Phillies game once. I’m a nats fan... in citizens bank... didn’t go so well. Franco hit a walkoff home run, but my family and I all got Ryan Howard memoriak bobble heads. Kids love those!

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We treat you well or at least we try.

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I sure hope you have a complete recovery from covid jim griddy.

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Thanks Dave. Almost there. Just that little fog that comes and goes and my smell has been gone a week. Sometimes thats ok, lol

If I do go to Philly this or next summer Dempsey, I will definitely message you. Same if you are ever in Tampa in the spring!

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agree with jimgriddy here. Wins and rings are nice but it's the process of building a team and competing with lots of smart people that keeps me coming back.