Definition of “tanking”.
I was recently expelled from a league (Field of Dreams Super League 1962) for “tanking”. The “commish” of the league used this term with my Pirates team that won 100 games the season before and was 4 games under .500 about 2/3s of the way through the year. The team has such luminaries as Mickey Mantle, Whitey Ford, Roberto Clemente and others. Wouldn’t tanking consist of trading these players away as just one example? I consistently fielded the best lineup I could muster and while I may not understand the subtle nuances of these sometimes complex leagues(for me anyhoo), I’ve always tried to be as competitive as possible. Any advice or opinions are appreciated unless you’re gonna yell at me.
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Without knowing anything else, there should have been explanation to you of examples which got you booted. I'd expect a warning first too.
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Not knowing the league specifics and rules. If you were starting your best players, pitchers included. Not sure what would have constituted tanking. Usually a warning would precede any commish action. Not sure if that happened by your post.
Tanking to me would be losing on purpose to gain a better draft position or helping another team via losing or purposeful lopsided trades. Again, not knowing the specifics of the league, it's rules, and any communication, it would be hard to offer a complete opinion.
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Maybe the gentleman who tossed me could present his version of what happened. No warning just a threat on the league board and then commandeering my team i. e, making a draft pick for me after 10 minutes and conducting stat changes that he thought were best, I guess. It sure would be nice if he responded and let me know what I did wrong so I won’t do it in the future.
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Being a lifelong Pittsburgh Pirates fan, I thought I knew what tanking meant.
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Looking through the Pirates roster and it doesn't look like he changed much since you've been booted. Only thing that sticks out to me is Clemente missed the first 65 games. Was he injured or did you have someone you liked better in his place? I'm not well versed in the stat changing leagues, so I'm probably missing something, but this seems like a wild overreaction by the commish, at best. Would like to hear his two cents though...
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absolute power corrupts absolutely
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So, for many seasons I was managing the Pirates due to a lack of activity. Eventually, I posted on the league chat that I was considering booting the Pirates GM due to inactivity. I decided to give him another opportunity to become more active as that's what's required of my fast paced league. This is the reason he has seen me take control of his team as someone had to properly manage it. All of the other owners seem to fully understand my expectations. It's my league and my rules, if you don't like my rules, then there are plenty of other leagues for you to join. My league also doesn't tolerate tanking, which is at the top of my rules page, so when someone updates Roberto Clemente's stats to a worse season than he previously had, then proceeds to bench him for a much worse player, that to me qualifies as tanking. It's also not just Clemente throughout the seasons. For a team that has won very little over the last 10 plus seasons, you'd think Roberto Freaking Clemente would be in his line-up. So after a lack of activity and a prime example of tanking, he decided to make a comment to the rest of our owners trashing me and my reputation. To me, that's 3 strikes and you're out! Please don't bother me again.
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Your team won 100 games because of the moves I made for you while you were inactive. After I booted you, your underperforming team that had Clemente on the bench, proceeded to win 10 of it's next 11 games and make the playoffs. They did this after I put Clemente back in the lineup.
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A team with a below .500 record with no Clemente vs. a team with Clemente that won 100 games last season and just so happened to get hot as soon as I reinserted him into the lineup where he should've been.
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Any more false accusations?
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@Folini27 Is it true he just won 100 games, and Clemente was the only player on a worse season? Davis also isn't that bad. (offensively at least) I don't think it's fair to boot him, he's obviously not trying to tank, could have just been an oversight, happens all the time. Also, the pick after 10 minutes of waiting seems extreme. Sounds like you may have been "Over Commishing" for lack of a better term. I'm guilty of it as well, but we also don't know all of the details of this story.
But, like you said, it's your league so you can do whatever you want if you don't like an owner.
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He won 100 games because of the management I did with his team. If I didn't manage his team, then they'd be in last place. I don't want to manage anyone's team, but if you don't, then I have to in order to maintain the integrity of the league and be fair to the other owners. So if you win 100 games with a fairly young and talented team, then you should be very good the next season, yet this guy proceeds to bench the most famous Pirate of all-time who was a big piece of that 100 win team in addition to updating his stats to a worse season than Clemente already had. I put a lot of time and effort to making my league as legit as possible and when you make moves like this owner did, it basically poops on all of that effort.
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I'd consider letting him back in the league as long as he understands the expectations and will live up to them the best he can. But blatantly benching arguably your best player and making him worse in the process seems like such a small thing to not mess up.
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I believe that Clemente was 1.) 24 years old ( give or take a year) and I had other outfielders with higher averages including the guy you drafted for me so, in my mind, I could afford to have him come off the bench and 2.) YOU were the one who advised me to change his stats ( I have the receipts). Also, you admittedly took over my team and they still finished below 500. You should have simply asked me to defer so that you could give one of your pals the team. No big whoop. Like the guy who took 7 hours to draft just before me in the last draft while I got a whopping ten minutes before you drafted Ashburn because you thought I was busy.
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Oh and after careful consideration, I have decided not to accept your invite back into the league. Thanks anyway. Good luck.
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What comment did I make to the other owners specifically in reference to you? Please expound on that speaking of false accusations.
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I'll break it down for you and I also have receipts. Clemente couldn't have been 24 years old in 1962, he was 28 years old as he was born in 1934. You didn't have better players than Roberto Clemente besides Mickey Mantle, especially if you had updated Roberto's stats to his 1961 season. You updated him a season late in 1962 and I never said to do that. I did remind you to make sure to check your players stats to see if there is a good opportunity to upgrade to a better more productive season. Drafting Richie Ashburn who was a 95 AV and still only 35 years old, seemed like the obvious choice to complete your outfield until Stargell is ready. I did admittedly take over your team and they did not finish below .500, they finished in 3rd place with a record of 85-77, but they were under .500 at the time of the booting. Not sure what you're talking about in regards to giving the team to one of my "pals". I could've waited longer for you to draft, but you built a reputation for not showing up, sometimes taking over 24 hours to make your pick. Yes, I could've been more patient.
The offer to come back is still available if you change your mind, I always am open to forgive and let bygones be bygones.
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You tried to make me look bad by talking about me controlling your team, as though I did it with malicious and fraudulent intentions. They are all aware that I do that with teams to make sure things are getting done and moving along at the pace I originally set as the standard.
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With all of that said, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings or wronged you in any way. Again, the offer to rejoin still stands.
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The teams that finish lastin your league, do you control them, as well. Or are they allowed to just be managers with human tendencies? Once again, who specifically in that league did I mention anything negative in reference to you? Because that never happened. Oh and a side note about Roberto Clemente. I might be the very last person to disrespect him especially in a “for fun” league like these. I’m an ardent supporter of his life and even went so far as to name both of my sons after him. “Tanking” and Roberto Clemente are in no way connected whatsoever in my mind.
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Let's just move on and chalk this up to a misunderstanding. I won't touch your team moving forward. Invite has been sent.
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The draft has started, so if you are coming back, then the sooner the better.
